4OD and Demand 5 launch delayed until early 2013

4OD and Demand 5 were originally planned to launch this month on the new freetime receiver, but unfortunately due to additional development, both on-demand services will launch early 2013.

A statement from freesat has confirmed this:

Following recent updates from both Channel 4 and Five, we now know that 4OD and Demand 5 won’t be launching on the service until early 2013. We did hope to launch both On Demand services before Christmas and have been working closely with the teams at Humax and the broadcasters to this end, but unfortunately this hasn’t been possible. Work on the technology that manages the delivery of the programmes via the internet and the software inside the receiver to manage the video play back has taken longer than anticipated. 4OD and Demand 5 also require additional content protection for their programming which is a complex technology that the development teams are still working through.

We know this will be disappointing news, but we have confidence from both broadcasters that all efforts are being made to launch these services as soon as possible in the new year.

As we know more we’ll update you.

Note that these two on-demand services will come to the new freetime receiver only, not the previous models.

95 thoughts on “4OD and Demand 5 launch delayed until early 2013”

  1. Roscoe said:
    OT, but RT HD has launched its programming this morning.
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    That’s why I posted in update scan 🙂

  2. @. 47-48
    Hi admin ano you say there is contracts but dose anyone know when these contracts are up —– or don’t dodgy $ky let this happen

  3. Liamo said:
    @Admin: Any word on whether RT HD is going to be added to the Freesat EPG

    Doesn’t appear so unless freesat have negotiated a last minute deal!

  4. @Admin 55.

    Its just i have heard on Joinfreesat and Digital Spy that there is EPG data for RT-HD. That would seem to suggest that it will launch at some stage. Anyway i suppose i am just excited that another FTA HD station has launched. Can anyone confirm that there is EPG data for Freesat?

    Thanks in advance!

  5. sam said:
    Hi all, let down again by Freesat – if you call them they blame Humax, the TV channels but they put the package together.40D and Demand 5 not coming now until early 2013 not late or very late 2012.
    Advert on the side of the box says “Humax Portal contains Youtube, Radio, Kids content (and other stuff)”we don’t get it – Freesat say ‘we printed the box before it was decided what was going to be included’ £300 on a box that BBCi buffering ITV roll back does not list many programs and often crashes out half way through on occasions.
    The brand Freetime = More of your freetime spent testing the box, dealing with errors and faults and now your freetime at XMAS disappointed by Humax and Freesat by having no 40d and demand 5.
    I would say to people under the sales of goods act your store should take the product back and allow refund or exchange:Youview has the on demand plus other content such as Now TV and Love Film (NOW TV and love film subscription required)
    Or your £300 would get you a subscription to SKY for two years (not including sports or movies) but has the on demand channels with 40D due next year but they have BBCi, ITV, Demand 5 and SKY portal all working to-date.
    BELIEVE IN BETTER –SKY
    YOUVIEW – Extraordinary TV for everyone
    YouView Remote Record App now available
    Use the YouView app to see what’s on TV now and over the next 7 days and set your YouView box to record while on the move.A service that Freesat want and yet faild to launch.
    Freetime has failed in my opinion – not worth the money if you have to have a sat dish then go freesat from SKY or get Youview

    I have to say, after replacing my Samsung SMT S7800 box last month, I chose to take up the option of a free YouView box with TalkTalk – and I am not disappointed. Although the Freesat Freetime epg is an improvement over G1 boxes, I felt that the new Humax box couldn’t offer me anymore in terms of on demand ‘catch up’ tv. I did subscribe to some extra channels for the first month with TalkTalk but found I had so much available in terms of on demand content that I never watched them! I have no cancelled these.

    Yes Freesat have extra channels compared to the You/view setup, but then I feel having quality channels such as Dave, Yesterday, Really etc far outweigh this. The new update on YouView has also allowed me to delete channels I don’t want on my epg and the search features for on demand tv is excellent. I somehow feel that Freesat has rushed this ‘Freetime’ service.

  6. Liamo said:
    @Admin 55.
    Its just i have heard on Joinfreesat and Digital Spy that there is EPG data for RT-HD. That would seem to suggest that it will launch at some stage. Anyway i suppose i am just excited that another FTA HD station has launched. Can anyone confirm that there is EPG data for Freesat?
    Thanks in advance!

    I think there’s a good chance we might just see it arrive, PQ is very good, they just need to get all the old 4:3 footage out of the way, presumably that was played out of their old SD galleries set up for full screen transmission. There was a woman earlier doing inserts from Egypt who was in 4:3 (SD), later they’d ARC’d her in to 16:9 so looks like they are busy getting footage ready.

    It really is impressive how much HD, and to some extent a graphics facelift, can bring up the appearance of a channel, RT now looks super slick and even on demanding scenes there’s little or no macro-blocking, none I’ve seen so far anyway.

    It must be destined for Freesat or guess they’d gone behind the dreaded Sky paywall as no other point making it FTA. Really glad to see another broadcaster go FTA with HD, now lets hope it spurs CNN to do the same!

  7. @admin

    Even so, Discovery can’t be making that much money from DMAX on pay TV platforms right? They have 1 channel on Virgin, and 3 on Sky, the viewing figures are kinda low, I thought the kinda fee they’d command would be bottom tier if anything, at least enough for them to revisit the issue once contracts are up with Sky.

    Quest is on Freeview and rates much higher than DMAX on average, Quest joining Freesat wouldn’t be too much of a burden for Discovery if anything, in these tough economic times, I would imagine people leaving Sky/Virgin and going for Freesat/Freeview, the more viewers the better right?

    The UKTV channels coming to Freesat would be an issue Scripps would have to deal with, even if it was just Dave and Yesterday, the BBC, at least in my opinion, if they were sole owners of these channels they would of had them all on Free to Air a long time ago.

    @Roscoe

    Probably, other Freesat channels seem to be doing alright, The CBS ones for example. They could still ask for a fee if there channel is popular enough from the major carriers like Sky or Virgin anyway.

  8. The new update on YouView has also allowed me to delete channels I don’t want on my epg and the search features for on demand tv is excellent. I somehow feel that Freesat has rushed this ‘Freetime’ service.

    I have the TalkTalk Youview box and there was no faciltiy to delete channels on the (poor compared to Freesat) EPG last time I looked unless something has changed recently. I certainly would like to do this as there a load of channels on there I don’t watch.

  9. Richard Crichton said:
    The new update on YouView has also allowed me to delete channels I don’t want on my epg and the search features for on demand tv is excellent. I somehow feel that Freesat has rushed this ‘Freetime’ service.
    I have the TalkTalk Youview box and there was no faciltiy to delete channels on the (poor compared to Freesat) EPG last time I looked unless something has changed recently. I certainly would like to do this as there a load of channels on there I don’t watch.

    Richard – you need to check the YouView website which links you to the TalkTalk help page that explains there was an update on Wed 12th Dec. This either happened automatically overnight, or you need to go into system settings and select search for new software manually. You can now delete channels from the epg, the epg font is bigger, clearer and brighter, and the overall feel and response from the epg is much improved.

  10. @61 – sorry, did I miss something?

    this is a freeSAT site – if you want to chit-chat about freeview boxes, go find yourselves another site (or get a room!)

  11. Al Catraz said:
    @61 – sorry, did I miss something?
    this is a freeSAT site – if you want to chit-chat about freeview boxes, go find yourselves another site (or get a room!)

    Good point. We can delete channels from our superior Freesat EPG of course.
    BTW The only channel on Freeview I would like to see on Freesat is Quest. Not bothered about DAVE or YESTERDAY with their10yr old Top Gear or LOTSW etc. Glad we have the CBS channels.

    LSS110581 Got it thanks.

  12. Quest and The Travel channels for me. Are you listening Freesat, you know, the guys that didn’t even know RTHD was launching? Even I knew that and I’m not even a techie, like some of the guys on here.

  13. People chattin about setting freesat recordings away from home.. I bought the EchoStar sling recorder £189, and it has free on the move access to your record box where ever you are in the world via internet access on any computer/notebook, or mobile phone (certain OS’s) and tablets! You can control what you want to record or watch whilst away from home!! I think this feature is an excellent freebee!! Incl free hd channels and the recording facility, I can’t see a better deal.. For movies youtube / facebook / general internet, and downloadable content, I have my X box. The total winners deal!! I havn’t got an epg, blue ray or 3d, but I don’t require them! I’m very happy with my set up. Only costs are my electric bills, my Xbox yearly subscription (well better than ps3 free one) and my t.v.licence…. So, I’m very happy…

  14. * ref epg, I meant I don’t have a tivo/freetime/sky type epg where you can go back!! But I have on demand iPlayer and ITV player.. That with my Xbox movies apps is more than enough. I can always record anyway, so don’t really need a reverse epg!!!

  15. The Sony movie/Sony Ent Channel should be realistic additions to Freesat in the coming years, hopefully next year. They’re Free to Air but not on Freesat due to being encrypted or something right?(They’re available on Freesat From Sky) Audience numbers for these channels are shit, and I still think DMAX will come to Freesat eventually, I probably sound nuts saying this but I just think with the audience numbers being s***, Discovery will be open to other avenues once contracts come up for renewal, especially if they can get it on Freeview too if more capacity becomes available. It helped with Quests numbers though this isnt on Freesat.

  16. Saltydawg said:
    Quest and The Travel channels for me. Are you listening Freesat, you know, the guys that didn’t even know RTHD was launching? Even I knew that and I’m not even a techie, like some of the guys on here.

    I’m pretty sure Freesat were aware of RT’s HD launch. They may claim not but just trying to play it down a bit, similar to comments initially mentioned when Pick TV and Challenge ‘accidentally’ appeared on Freesat’s website a few weeks back.

    Matthew said:
    The Sony movie/Sony Ent Channel should be realistic additions to Freesat in the coming years, hopefully next year. They’re Free to Air but not on Freesat due to being encrypted or something right?(They’re available on Freesat From Sky) Audience numbers for these channels are shit, and I still think DMAX will come to Freesat eventually, I probably sound nuts saying this but I just think with the audience numbers being s***, Discovery will be open to other avenues once contracts come up for renewal, especially if they can get it on Freeview too if more capacity becomes available. It helped with Quests numbers though this isnt on Freesat.

    What does DMAX actually show? Quest on DTT is a barker channel to showcase and highlight Discovery’s programming and channels, it isn’t connected to BSkyB as owned by Discovery Networks, however there will be contracts in place with Sky and until such a time they can break off nothing will change. They would also need to go potentially spotbeam as going FTA for rights issues although with the new Satellites having all transponders spot/widebeam switchable this isn’t a big issue.

  17. ALAN 1 said:
    New software today for Freetime 1000s,Bug fixversion (1.00.16)

    yep, got it! let’s hope it’s cured some of the niggles!

  18. Matthew said:
    The Sony movie/Sony Ent Channel should be realistic additions to Freesat in the coming years, hopefully next year. They’re Free to Air but not on Freesat due to being encrypted or something right?

    If they are encrypted then they aint fta! They are ftv – require a sky card but not part of a sky package.

    You reasoning is faulty – its quite possible they are spending a year “on probation” so Sky can see what the viewing numbers are like before they are offered a deal to go behind the pay wall

  19. Channel five should have to put there HD channel on to freesat first then 5 on demand service to be fair and freesat to only launch HD channel no more SD channels starting Q2 2013 that is what I think and know any new channel launching on all platforms is to be a HD channel only

  20. @Rosco

    I’m sorry but how is my reasoning faulty? Virtually every non mainstream channel on Freeview/Freesat has come out from behind the pay tv curtain because of poor viewing figures. Home and Really were doing dreadfully before they joined freeview, after they joined the audience numbers increased significantly. Challenge TV did average before joining freeview now its doing well, and it now ended up on Freesat. Lots of other channels on Freesat that came from behind the Pay TV curtain did so because they wanted a bigger audience because they simply were struggling on just the Pay TV providers.

    Sony Entertainment TV and Sony Movies before are doing poorly, as you pointed out they’re FTV(Made a mistake saying FTA), these channels will no doubt appear on Freesat eventually, once things can be sorted contractually.

    DMAX is a Discovery Channel that shows random Discovery shows, it has a poor audience level and has 3 channels, theres a high chance of this appearing eventually. And as Quest is on Freeview, the Freesat people might be able to grab this too.

    Lets see what 2013 brings eh?

  21. I agree with Matthew, sometimes less choice for the viewer brings in better revenue for the channel. If the likes of Dmax, Home, Really and the Travel Channel come to Freesat they would get better viewing figures as there’s less competition for them as they’re neich channels

  22. LSS110581 said:
    http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107052052
    looks like freeview might be getting another hd channel first over freesat.

    Maybe this is Channel 5’s time to ‘have a third go’, lets see who gets this capacity as if it isn’t C5 then it’s going to be an existing PSB potentially with or without a HD equivalent of their service on Satellite. Alternatively it could go to QVC HD, there’s nothing mentioned about what type of provider it is, previously they’ve stipulated it be a PSB only.

  23. Freesat has a couple of issues to my mind. Firstly, it’s the poor relation — when people think satellite TV they think Sky, because Freesat doesn’t get much of a push. The only recent Freesat coverage that I can recall was one or two showings of the Humax Freetime ad. That’s hardly gonna stick in people’s minds. Kit availability is lightweight — no ‘mainstream’ box manufacturers provide STBs, and integrated panels are few and far between and aren’t cheap. Finally, there’s the channel line-up. Freeview it ain’t, and whilst it does have stuff like the CBS channels what’s on offer isn’t stellar. IMHO, Freesat is available as a fill-in for areas where Freeview isn’t viable, and will play more of a part when 4G starts taking-out DTV, but to stimulate real interest it not only needs to match the Freeview channel line-up it needs to have some ‘must-have’ stuff too. Until things improve, Freesat will remain a backwater option.

  24. Tell Channel 5 to get lost until they give us their HD channel – no chance. They already told me that a few months ago when I asked them directly.

  25. Well, I think Freesat has had its day…. With the announcement of 15 HD channels for Freeview by 2018. Freeview will be given more bandwidth. Also, there are fewer restrictions on the freeview box manufacturers with regards features that they can include on their boxes. Speak to manufacturers of Freesat boxes and you will find that many nice features are not allowed due to the restrictions imposed by Freesat.
    The Freeview solution is looking better everyday. I have spoken to Samsung and have advised them that they are best to avoid manufacturing freesat boxes. The problem is that the Samsung freesat boxes are very below the standard that Samsung are known for and therefore bringing the name into disrepute.
    Maybe, best stick to FTA? FTA boxes are loaded with features.

  26. Delphi said:
    Well, I think Freesat has had its day…. With the announcement of 15 HD channels for Freeview by 2018. Freeview will be given more bandwidth. Also, there are fewer restrictions on the freeview box manufacturers with regards features that they can include on their boxes. Speak to manufacturers of Freesat boxes and you will find that many nice features are not allowed due to the restrictions imposed by Freesat.
    The Freeview solution is looking better everyday. I have spoken to Samsung and have advised them that they are best to avoid manufacturing freesat boxes. The problem is that the Samsung freesat boxes are very below the standard that Samsung are known for and therefore bringing the name into disrepute.
    Maybe, best stick to FTA? FTA boxes are loaded with features.

    Freeview will always have bandwidth limitations, BBC services going HD on Freeview will also be on Sky and Freesat thus FTA on both DSAT. Come 2018 DTT will have lost UHF ch.49-60 with everything crammed in to 21-49, less carrier to interference protection which means more reception issues in weaker signal areas. These extra HD mux’s will only cover 60-70% population too, freesat has none of these limitations 🙂

  27. I thought that this would be a good time of the year to push the presence of Freesat through advertising. All I’ve seen are adverts for Youview. Have Freesat given up?

  28. Merry Christmas to all the regular contributors and of course admin for the time in keeping this site running.

  29. brian said:
    why can not i get itv player on goodmans freesat box. bbc i player works ok

    Because sadly Goodmans have chosen not to support an update to include this on-demand service.

  30. Its always best to delay the release of a new product/service than release something half baked which does not work

  31. Dave W said:
    Merry Christmas to everyone have a lovely new year
    Hope 2013 is even better for freesat

    2013 will be a better year – but by freesat’s timings it will be delayed until 2014

  32. I bought freesat February 2013 and switched off sky because of the demand TV advertisement for 4OD and demand 5 on the box and tv, internet. Now im being lead down the garden path on when its coming on, will the up dates give me this at the end of march or can someone PLEASE tell me with no rubbish or red tape when this is going to happen? or receiver will have to go back and I will have to have youview as this already has it.

  33. It seems that “early 2013” doesn’t mean the first quarter of the year. Does anyone know if/when we’ll get 4od?

  34. Mark Briton said:
    It seems that “early 2013″ doesn’t mean the first quarter of the year. Does anyone know if/when we’ll get 4od?

    Expected to be end of this month for 4OD, but for obvious reasons, freesat can’t give a definite!!!!

  35. I’ve had Freesat since it started. I paid £300 for my Humax PVR.

    What I’ve learnt is Humax don’t care about faults / fixes.
    Broadcaster’s don’t care about sending the correct timing signals.
    Freesat doesn’t care about increasing the customer base through quality.

    Freesat has all the smells of something the Govt was forced to offer to get us to accept digital siwtchover and after 5 or 6 years it will be allowed to die.

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