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Mar 24 2014

BBC HD channels move to new positions on FreesatTo enhance the channels’ viewing experience a number of changes have been made to the position of BBC HD channels on Freesat. From 24 March, the channel positions will be as follows:

BBC One HD will be on channel 101 for viewers in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, with standard definition BBC One moving to channel 108.
BBC Two HD will be on channel 102 for viewers in England, with standard definition BBC Two moving to channel 109.
BBC Three HD will be on channel 106 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC Three moving to channel 147.
BBC Four HD will be on channel 107 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC Four moving to channel 148.
BBC News HD will be on channel 200 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC News moving to channel 212.
CBBC HD will be on channel 600 throughout the UK, with standard definition CBBC moving to channel 607.
CBeebies HD will be on channel 601 throughout the UK, with standard definition on CBeebies moving to channel 608.

86 Responses to “BBC HD channels move to new positions on Freesat”

  1. Michael Says:

    So probably the most watched BBC HD channel remains on 107 for the majority of the country.
    Are there any plans of regional HD for BBC1 at all for England in the future?

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  2. Simon Bell Says:

    Why is BBC1HD not on 101 in England? Very confusing

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  3. Michael Says:

    Oops that should of said 108 :)

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  4. Dave Says:

    Simon Bell said: Why is BBC1HD not on 101 in England? Very confusing

    Think I will retune my box with a Welsh postcode

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  5. admin Says:

    Simon Bell said:
    Why is BBC1HD not on 101 in England? Very confusing

    Due to their being multiple regions of BBC One and unfortunately no BBC One HD for each of them. You’d either be faced with that annoying red screen or London news if they defaulted it to that channel position.

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  6. Nick Says:

    excellent news. Two questions: -

    1.Is there a plan to broadcast local TV in HD on BBC1? So the same channel change can happen to BBC1

    2. Is there a plan for ITV and Channel 4 to do the same?

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  7. Simon Bell Says:

    London News on BBC1HD would be fine, I live in London. I also don’t care about the local news, I watch it on ITV, and they give the regions HD. They have to sort this!

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  8. Michael Says:

    Simon Bell said:
    London News on BBC1HD would be fine, I live in London. I also don’t care about the local news, I watch it on ITV, and they give the regions HD. They have to sort this!

    Although ITV regions are not currently HD on Freesat.

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  9. Neil Says:

    Great stuff and we’ll overdue. Pity they didn’t swap BBC One HD too as was possibly planned (published over the weekend), guess they have had a change of thought on this pending introduction of BBC One HD regions?

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  10. Simon Bell Says:

    ITV1HD is.

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  11. Wouter Haring Says:

    unbelievable… I was getting very excited by this change, only realizing that it doesn’t affect England…

    Come-on!! Really?! And the rationale..

    Also does not make any sense to show a silly red screen on BBC1HD during the ‘local’ section. At least show London HD if you can’t show any local content. Better something, instead of nothing. People don’t like changing channels, but now they are really forced to do, and likely change away from BBC all together!

    So close, yet so far!

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  12. Scottie Says:

    Don’t really understand why they don’t move bbc one HD to 101. It would make more sense that we change to 108 for regional news, after all it’s only a couple of hours of the main channels programming, or set regional bbc one on channel 1, and bbc one hd on 101, then the freeview and freesat message would read the same.

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  13. Michael Says:

    Simon Bell said:
    ITV1HD is.

    ITV1HD London is yes, but not other regions.

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  14. mike65 Says:

    Is it technically possible for Freesat to tweak the EPG software so that end users can move channels within the overall list?

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  15. Simon Bell Says:

    mike65 said:
    Is it technically possible for Freesat to tweak the EPG software so that end users can move channels within the overall list?

    now that’s a good idea!

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  16. Alvin Pritchard. Says:

    Enhance the channels ? Dont make me laugh, Cause mass confusion more like by jumbling channels all over the shop depending on where you live.

    Proof that TV stations are rapidly adopting a “here today, gone tomorrow” attitude not only to available TV stations but also to the channel number positions on the digital TV platform.

    I am not impressed with all this constant tinkering about.
    Broadcasters .. start broadcasting in the over long awaited 1080p resolution instead of faffing around like this.

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  17. Neil Says:

    Scottie said:
    Don’t really understand why they don’t move bbc one HD to 101. It would make more sense that we change to 108 for regional news, after all it’s only a couple of hours of the main channels programming, or set regional bbc one on channel 1, and bbc one hd on 101, then the freeview and freesat message would read the same.

    I find it strange that they made the announcement and then retracted it. I think BBC One HD regions won’t be far away, still happy all other BBC channels have now HD swapped which is good news for me. :)

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  18. Michael Skinner Says:

    I believe it would be far less confusing if ALL HD channels were grouped together, I only view in H D as I am hard of hearing and H D gives me better quality sound. I really wouldn’t care what order the rest of channels were listed. Or the box manufacturers could give us a proper sort facility rather than hit and miss favourites

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  19. Paul Says:

    Wouter Haring said:
    unbelievable…I was getting very excited by this change, only realizing that it doesn’t affect England…

    Only one element of it is not happening in England – BBC1 HD appearing on 101. The rest is happening for England.

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  20. Paul Says:

    Simon Bell said:
    London News on BBC1HD would be fine, I live in London. I also don’t care about the local news, I watch it on ITV, and they give the regions HD. They have to sort this!

    Thee are only four (I think) ITV HD macro regions. The North East, for example, gets Granada local news on ITV HD.

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  21. Paul Says:

    mike65 said:
    Is it technically possible for Freesat to tweak the EPG software so that end users can move channels within the overall list?

    It’s not a tweak that would be required – it’s a whole new block of code that multiple manufacturers would need to write for their boxes. Freesat set the spec, and it’s up to the box manufacturers to write the code for their particular flavour of hardware.

    Freesat could make it a feature of future versions of the software, but I would expect that even if they did very few current devices would get a re-write to add the functionality. There’s no money to be made in putting fancy new features in old kit as people then don’t buy new kit.

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  22. Anthony Says:

    Alvin Pritchard. said:
    Enhance the channels ? Dont make me laugh, Cause mass confusion more like by jumbling channels all over the shop depending on where you live.
    Proof that TV stations are rapidly adopting a “here today, gone tomorrow” attitude not only to available TV stations but also to the channel number positions on the digital TV platform.
    I am not impressed with all this constant tinkering about.
    Broadcasters .. start broadcasting in the over long awaited 1080p resolution instead of faffing around like this.

    1080i hd resolution is dire;aftereffect strobing and smearing on big screens, gritty artefacts on fine details and a horrible noisy texture that doesnt look its best on 1080p capable hd televisions. It’s time to go full 1080p and drop the current standard. The sound should be full 5.1 dd on sport studio shows drama childrens progs live outdoor events concerts comedy and more;if the americans can do the full monty when it comes to hd pic/sound of their services then why cant we? seems silly.

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  23. Al (Original) Says:

    admin said: Due to their being multiple regions of BBC One and unfortunately no BBC One HD for each of them. You’d either be faced with that annoying red screen or London news if they defaulted it to that channel position.

    I simply can’t understand this reasoning from the BBC.

    BBC 1 HD doesn’t have regional programming now.

    BBC 1 SD does and the regions are individually available below 100 in the epg.

    So why does moving BBC 1 HD to 101 and SD to 108 change anything?

    Those people that want regions would turn over to 108 when the regional news banner came on, just as those who watch 108 turn over to 101 now.

    Just more stupidity from the BBC.

    The whole idea of a move of the HD channels was to create a continuous block of HD only channels so SD and HD channels were grouped together in their respective groups to prevent boxes from “mode hopping” when navigating the epg and make it easier for people to find the HD variants of all the channels, plus provide an incentive for channels to go HD (by giving them a method of climbing the epg by going HD).

    Instead it seems the BBC have gone it alone (as opposed to the BBC Trust regrouping the whole EPG with ALL HD channels at the top as many people had suggested), and BBC 1 HD has been left ungrouped simply because it doesn’t have regions.

    Doesn’t make sense.

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  24. Lawrence Pearce Says:

    Too little, too late. I’ve given up waiting for Freesat to group all of the HD channels together. This is the main reason why I switched to Youview – and I don’t see that the current Freesat improvement being sufficient to make me switch back.
    Whatever happened to the promised HD category, which might just have been a better compromise than the current muddle?

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  25. Benny Hill Says:

    …also, almost forgotten down at the bottom of the programme guide, BBC 1 England HD on 972, BBC Scotland HD on 973, BBC Wales HD on 976, and BBC NI HD on 978.

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  26. SL Says:

    I thought something had gone wrong with my box when I saw bbc2 had been changed but not bbc1, a simply awful decision from the BBC. They never fail to make the wrong decision.
    First, not letting us swap the channels ourselves (in my case the SD versions are deleted so I don’t care about local news) then not letting us order ourselves, then not grouping HD channels together and finally just when we thought we had a solution, they leave out bbc1.
    The HD version should be in the custom channel for 101 so that those of us who really want it can have it there.

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  27. Dipper Says:

    Blimey, what a lot of moaners! I remember when you had to get off your backside, walk all the way to the TV and change the channels manually. Mind you, it avoided the repetitive strain injury on your thumb from having to press a button a few times on the remote control.

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  28. Dave W Says:

    Al (Original) said: I simply can’t understand this reasoning from the BBC.
    BBC 1 HD doesn’t have regional programming now.

    Yes it does – BBC One Sc HD – http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/scotland_hd

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  29. Simon Says:

    This is definitely a step in the right direction. I just hope Freesat plan to standardise BBC One HD and BBC Two HD on 101 and 102 throughout the UK. Freeview seem to have got this right, not sure why Freesat can’t do the same.

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  30. mike65 Says:

    Simon said:
    This is definitely a step in the right direction.I just hope Freesat plan to standardise BBC One HD and BBC Two HD on 101 and 102 throughout the UK.Freeview seem to have got this right, not sure why Freesat can’t do the same.

    Freeview is local tv, Freesat is national tv – regional variations across the UK are the issue for BBC1. Freeview only needs to concern itself with the local MUX version of BBC1.

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  31. mike65 Says:

    Paul said: It’s not a tweak that would be required – it’s a whole new block of code that multiple manufacturers would need to write for their boxes.Freesat set the spec, and it’s up to the box manufacturers to write the code for their particular flavour of hardware.
    Freesat could make it a feature of future versions of the software, but I would expect that even if they did very few current devices would get a re-write to add the functionality.There’s no money to be made in putting fancy new features in old kit as people then don’t buy new kit.

    Cheers for the info, regardless of retro fitting I think Freesat and the manufacturers should look at this for all future boxes.

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  32. Paul Says:

    Anyone missing Channel 119 (ITV 1 HD). Remains missing using when I retune the tuner using my home postcode. Tried a London and Birmingham postcode, also missing. Selected a Newcastle postcode and get it but Tyne Tees regional on Channel 103! Seems to be a problem on a London and Granda platforms that apparently first occurred last month. Very annoying.

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  33. mike65 Says:

    Paul said:
    Anyone missing Channel 119 (ITV 1 HD). Remains missing using when I retune the tuner using my home postcode. Tried a London and Birmingham postcode, also missing. Selected a Newcastle postcode and get it but Tyne Tees regional on Channel 103! Seems to be a problem on a London and Granda platforms that apparently first occurred last month. Very annoying.

    Its been bad for me since the glitch first occurred – so I manually tuned in UTV HD and while its on the non-freesat list it is working just fine. If you want to give it a go –

    Frequency: 11052Mhz
    Symbol Rate: 22000 5/6
    Polarisation: H
    DVB-S
    QPSK

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  34. RichardC Says:

    Demand 5 is broken, ads repeat endlessley then program if it starts at all is jumbled up and dosen’t play. Humax HB1000 box.

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  35. R Holmes Says:

    could be worst, could be like freeview channels all over the place.

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  36. miffo Says:

    RichardC said:
    Demand 5 is broken, ads repeat endlessley then program if it starts at all is jumbled up and dosen’t play. Humax HB1000 box.

    Working here…after fseveral ads, prog started correctly, but then I think I would rather watch the ads than the shows on five!

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  37. RichardC Says:

    miffo said: Working here…after fseveral ads, prog started correctly, but then I think I would rather watch the ads than the shows on five!

    Just wanted to watch the no credability Gadget Show so had to boot up my YouView box.

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  38. Michael Says:

    RichardC said: Just wanted to watch the no credability Gadget Show so had to boot up my YouView box.

    Gadget Show worked fine for me last night.

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  39. Alubug Says:

    We’re both old and this change has really messed up my wife’s viewing and recording. And the prolonged black screen and information statement when changing channels or pausing the programme is quite disturbing – we thought the TV was conking out.
    But we shall survive.

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  40. Neil Says:

    Finally, for those north of the border (including Richard); STV HD will be available on Freesat from the 28th April, confirmed by STV themselves:

    http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/269430-stv-announces-its-hd-channel-to-be-on-satellite-from-end-of-april/

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  41. Neil Says:

    ITV HD Central and Meridian SE sub-regions now added to LCN 119 for regionality. This was done yesterday or today by the looks of things and is well overdue!

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  42. Keith Cobby Says:

    Is there any news of more HD channels coming soon?

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  43. RichardC Says:

    Keith Cobby said:
    Is there any news of more HD channels coming soon?

    N

    Michael said: Gadget Show worked fine for me last night.

    It would be nice but money talks and Sky have the money so not if Sky can help it but Community and Aljazeera are a possibility as they are on Freeview HD.

    It dosen’t work for me Michael so it must be my kit then.

    Thanks Neil. Better late than never I suppose although it’s the wrong STV region for me.

    Freesat switching channels has screwed my viewing up. Instead of 1 and 2 HD being adjacent they are now 9 channels apart.

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  44. Dennis Says:

    Simon said:
    This is definitely a step in the right direction.I just hope Freesat plan to standardise BBC One HD and BBC Two HD on 101 and 102 throughout the UK.Freeview seem to have got this right, not sure why Freesat can’t do the same.

    Maybe we could organise a petition

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  45. RichardC Says:

    BBC1 HD Scot 101 BBC2 HD 109 STV HD 119 (end of Apr) Ch4 HD 126
    What a dogs breakfast. These channels should be 101 102 103 104 in a HD category.

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  46. davies1099 Says:

    RichardC said:
    BBC1 HD Scot 101 BBC2 HD 109 STV HD 119 (end of Apr) Ch4 HD 126
    What a dogs breakfast. These channels should be 101 102 103 104 in a HD category.

    Your poor thumb must be in over drive, I remember when I at to get off my a** to change channels

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  47. stingy al Says:

    considering how pathetic local news actually is, the beab should scrap off the regional bulletins to its local radio stations & save a tonne of cash by streamlining bbc1hd even more

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  48. Neil Says:

    stingy al said:
    considering how pathetic local news actually is, the beab should scrap off the regional bulletins to its local radio stations & save a tonne of cash by streamlining bbc1hd even more

    Even better would be to actually scrap the local radio stations and put the money in to more BBC One HD distribution. There’s a lot of local radio, and people who present on it, that sound like relics of the last century. Fortunately, the stations in the major conurbations (London, WM, Manchester, Leeds etc) all sound much better nowadays but most of the rest leave a lot to be desired!

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  49. Tony baker Says:

    mike65 said: Its been bad for me since the glitch first occurred – so I manually tuned in UTV HD and while its on the non-freesat list it is working just fine. If you want to give it a go –
    Frequency: 11052MhzSymbol Rate: 22000 5/6Polarisation: H
    DVB-S
    QPSK

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  50. Tony baker Says:

    Here in wales itvhd channel 119 disappeared a couple of days ago. 119 is now a duplicate of 103. Very frustrating.

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  51. Neil Says:

    Tony baker said:
    Here in wales itvhd channel 119 disappeared a couple of days ago. 119 is now a duplicate of 103. Very frustrating.

    It won’t be an exact duplicate of 103 as there’s no ITV HD Wales as of yet! Your probably now getting Central W region instead of London.

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  52. Michael Says:

    Tony baker said:
    Here in wales itvhd channel 119 disappeared a couple of days ago. 119 is now a duplicate of 103. Very frustrating.

    You should be seeing ITVHD Central in Wales, if that’s the same as 103 then that’s correct.
    http://www.a516digital.com/2014/03/further-itv-hd-regions-added-to-freesat.html?m=1

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  53. stingy al Says:

    Neil said: Even better would be to actually scrap the local radio stations and put the money in to more BBC One HD distribution. There’s a lot of local radio, and people who present on it, that sound like relics of the last century. Fortunately, the stations in the major conurbations (London, WM, Manchester, Leeds etc) all sound much better nowadays but most of the rest leave a lot to be desired!

    ahh, even better point.
    i 2nd your idea. :)

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  54. John in Cheddar Says:

    Since this change, which I think is sensible, we are unable to get BBC iplayer? Is this a fault related to the change or something else?

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  55. tony Says:

    bbc one hd cant be on 101 yet due to regional programs, they dont air on bbc one hd only bbc one and it would lead to confusion and frustation to the less tech savvy.

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  56. footy Says:

    Totally agree with Alvin 16, get 1008 sorted first. How on earth do these changes enhance my viewing? Rubbish!

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  57. Andy Bell Says:

    Can we start persuading ITV, STV and UTV to swap in the parts of the country where there are matching services? And will there come a point when it’ll do C4 more harm than good if they don’t swap? Does anyone know how important regional ads actually are to C4?

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  58. Neil Says:

    Andy Bell said:
    Can we start persuading ITV, STV and UTV to swap in the parts of the country where there are matching services? And will there come a point when it’ll do C4 more harm than good if they don’t swap? Does anyone know how important regional ads actually are to C4?

    It would be good for ITV/STV/UTV to LCN swap, I guess if and when this happens it will be an ITV-wide decision in areas where they simulcast. Regional ads are still very important to ITV, less so to C4 but they do still sell a degree of advertising regionally. Considering C4 have always liked to be ahead of the game in terms of technology I’d have thought that they would have wanted to get the HD version of C4 up to LCN 104 on Freesat and Sky.

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  59. davemurgatroyd Says:

    How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

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  60. RichardC Says:

    davemurgatroyd said:
    How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

    That being the case I may well go back to YouView where all the HD channels are in a block in the EPG instead of having them scattered all over the place. The recent SD/HD swop has only made things worse for me.

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  61. Michael Says:

    RichardC said: That being the case I may well go back to YouView where all the HD channels are in a block in the EPG instead of having them scattered all over the place. The recent SD/HD swop has only made things worse for me.

    And that’s enough justification to go to YouView is it?
    It must be such an inconvenience to press a few buttons on the remote to get the channel you want.
    It does make me wonder how ever did we cope back in days when we had to get off the sofa to change channels and use a TV guide to find what’s on.
    Granted you could re-order those 4 channels how you wish, but still a lot more effort involved than we do today :D

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  62. RichardC Says:

    Michael said: And that’s enough justification to go to YouView is it?
    It must be such an inconvenience to press a few buttons on the remote to get the channel you want.
    It does make me wonder how ever did we cope back in days when we had to get off the sofa to change channels and use a TV guide to find what’s on.
    Granted you could re-order those 4 channels how you wish, but still a lot more effort involved than we do today

    Already had YV for over a year just needs turning on besides I quite like Quest. Will still use Freesat now I’ve deleted the SD channels from the guide I don’t watch which brings the HD ones I do watch closer together again.In ye olde days there were only two channels so getting up once or twice a night to change channels was no problem. :D

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  63. RichardC Says:

    Notice admin isn’t on summertime yet :D

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  64. admin Says:

    RichardC said:
    Notice admin isn’t on summertime yet :D

    Thanks for the heads up, sorted

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  65. Michael Says:

    RichardC said: Already had YV for over a year just needs turning on besides I quite like Quest. Will still use Freesat now I’ve deleted the SD channels from the guide I don’t watch which brings the HD ones I do watch closer together again.In ye olde days there were only two channels so getting up once or twice a night to change channels was no problem.

    Blimey they were Ye olde days when it was only 2 channels, a bit before my time I think. Were there colour TVs back then or just black & white?
    I vaguely remember our first tv with a remote control, the TV casing was wooden and the remote was massive with what I can only describe as a grill on the front of it :D

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  66. Neil Says:

    Buzmuzik on 506 appears to be closing down on Thursday morning from observations on Sky and Freesat EPG listings. I wonder if we’ll see 506 replaced with Scuzz and it’s return to the platform once more? Word has it that CSC have also bought Starz TV which does exactly the same thing as Buzmuzik!

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  67. Derek Says:

    Referring to post 32 anyone in London still experiencing break up on channel 119? Signal deteriorated following change and doing it on two separate installations.

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  68. RichardC Says:

    Michael said: Blimey they were Ye olde days when it was only 2 channels, a bit before my time I think. Were there colour TVs back then or just black & white?
    I vaguely remember our first tv with a remote control, the TV casing was wooden and the remote was massive with what I can only describe as a grill on the front of it

    It was a black and white 405 lines vhf only cube at my grans house. BBC2 started on 20th April 1964 and was the first channel to use 625 lines uhf and in 1967 colour so there were dual 405/625 line sets which had two rotary tuners.

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  69. Brightonian Says:

    Just waiting for joinfreesat.co.uk to update the “Channels” tab listings…

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  70. admin Says:

    Brightonian said:
    Just waiting for joinfreesat.co.uk to update the “Channels” tab listings…

    Was updated, try refreshing (F5) as we had some server changes.

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  71. davemurgatroyd Says:

    RichardC said: It was a black and white 405 lines vhf only cube at my grans house. BBC2 started on 20th April 1964 and was the first channel to use 625 lines uhf and in 1967 colour so there were dual 405/625 line sets which had two rotary tuners.

    I still have a single channel 405 line monochrome projector TV from the early 50′s – projected a 3ft by 4ft picture (equivalent to current 60″ screen). Given to me by a friend in the 70′s who found it in an antique shop.

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  72. pollensa1946 Says:

    Most, maybe all, of the complaints regarding these changes could be fixed if Freesat delivered what they promised many months ago. Namely a HD Genre in the List feature of the HDR/HB 1000S. AND made the the HD and Favourites in List immediately available with ONE button push on the R/C, instead of the useless method currently in place to access List and its sub-genres.

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  73. Kyle Says:

    Just checked my Humax. HD channels shifted to where they should be but my iplayer has now stopped working as well (channel 901 I think?)

    Kyle

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  74. DaveP Says:

    So lets just make it more complicated and stupid for viewers in England then!!!!.
    BBC1HD and BBC2HD need to be on successive channels for simplicity reasons alone, just switch up or down a channel without having to enter the actual number. And no insult intended, but how much more confusing is this for more elderly viewers, some of who may have problems such as Dementia etc, who may have problems remembering the channel numbers. It is so much better and easier when watching HD via Freeview, where they all follow each other and are simple to understand. This is ludicrous!!!!!!.

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  75. Michael Says:

    DaveP said:
    but how much more confusing is this for more elderly viewers, some of who may have problems such as Dementia etc, who may have problems remembering the channel numbers.

    For the vast majority of that particular group of people its probably not even a concern at all.
    Most are happy to just watch something, whether it’s HD or not will not bother them in the slightest.

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  76. Derek (Original) Says:

    Can I add a +1 to comments 54 and 73. Since the re-organising of BBC channels in the EPG, I also no longer have a functioning iPlayer on Channel 901 on my Humax Foxsat HDR. The channel 901 ‘welcome’ screen which requests you to press the red button appears, but on pressing the red button a blank screen apprears and remains indefinitely. ITV player is still accessible.

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  77. Al (Original) Says:

    Dave W said: Yes it does – BBC One Sc HD – http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/scotland_hd

    Well maybe Scotland has but in England when regional news comes on you get a red background with a banner telling you to switch over to SD if you want regional news, plus a background noise of children playing outside for the duration of the regional news programme.

    That’s why this really doesn’t make sense. If people switch from 108 to 101 currently for regional news, why wouldn’t they switch from 101 to 108?

    Just plain silly and totally messes the epg up.

    It’s no better now than before they made the changes as its BBC 1 SD . BBC 2 HD > ITV1 SD.

    Said it many times but whats needed is ALL the HD channels from ALL providers at the top of the EPG, a reserved block below that for 4K / 8K, then all the SD channels together below that.

    Careful choice of channel numbers could leave current channels on equivalent numbers to what they have now making learning the new numbers easier.

    Result =

    1. All channels blocked together by type.

    2. Channels encouraged to go HD / 4K / 8K as they climb the EPG by doing so thus increasing their attractiveness to advertisers.

    3. Channel order preserved in the new blocks.

    4. Possible to set a high minimum broadcast standard by getting together with Sky and agreeing minimum standards across the satellite platform for each type of broadcast eg HD could be Full HD Native (not upscaled) / 12mbs / Certain encoder / codec to be used, thus preventing some of the low quality broadcasts seen on some channels.

    But then again, getting the BBC Trust involved and actually doing this would be far too sensible.

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  78. DaveP Says:

    Why do freesat channel numbers have to be 3 digits and start at 101?. Why can’t we use the good old fashioned 1,2,3,4,5 then put HD on 101, 102, 103, 104 and then whatever for the rest.
    Sounds far too simple for the BBC. Bound to be bureaucratic nonsense of a reason why not.
    Much simpler for everyone on Freeview channel numbers.

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  79. Derek (Original) Says:

    Derek (Original) said:
    Can I add a +1 to comments 54 and 73. Since the re-organising of BBC channels in the EPG, I also no longer have a functioning iPlayer on Channel 901 on my Humax Foxsat HDR. The channel 901 ‘welcome’ screen which requests you to press the red button appears, but on pressing the red button a blank screen apprears and remains indefinitely. ITV player is still accessible.

    Must have been ‘quietly’ sorted as iPlayer now working again on my Humax Foxsat HDR

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  80. RichardC Says:

    DaveP said:
    Why do freesat channel numbers have to be 3 digits and start at 101?. Why can’t we use the good old fashioned 1,2,3,4,5 then put HD on 101, 102, 103, 104 and then whatever for the rest.
    Sounds far too simple for the BBC. Bound to be bureaucratic nonsense of a reason why not.Much simpler for everyone on Freeview channel numbers.

    The program lists (epg) are split into genres and you first input the genre number then you input the channel number in that genre. 1 is general entertainment followed by the two digit channel number 01 for BBC1. There are far more than 101 SD channels on Freesat so putting HD starting on 101 is a non runner for them.

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  81. ASK Says:

    Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

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  82. davemurgatroyd Says:

    ASK said:
    Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

    ASK said:
    Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

    Read post #59 – that is why not – so get over it.

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  83. ASK Says:

    heavensdemurgatroyed,

    Do you practice your rudeness, or does come naturally.

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  84. Al (Original) Says:

    davemurgatroyd said:
    How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

    I believe the regulations for Freesat are made by the BBC Trust in conjunction with the government.

    So why don’t the Trust just hold a vote on altering the rules?

    Very little point in having a Trust if it isn’t responsive to the needs of viewers or the platform.

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  85. alan Says:

    why fix things that are not broke
    stop forcing HD channels onto people bbc1,2 itv have always been on 1,2,3 in order
    now we have to go to 109 to see bbc2

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  86. davemurgatroyd Says:

    Al (Original) said: I believe the regulations for Freesat are made by the BBC Trust in conjunction with the government.
    So why don’t the Trust just hold a vote on altering the rules?
    Very little point in having a Trust if it isn’t responsive to the needs of viewers or the platform.

    Then you believe incorrectly although the BBC Trust may have some responsibility for the day to day running of freesat and some of its own regulations they still must obey the regulations within the Communications Act 2003 – http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/contents and cannot change those regulations without going through Pariliament. Those regulations include EPG placement for PSBs and regulations for consideration as a PSB and the BBC Trust cannot ignore or amend them on their own decision.

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