BBC HD channels move to new positions on Freesat

BBC HD channels move to new positions on FreesatTo enhance the channels’ viewing experience a number of changes have been made to the position of BBC HD channels on Freesat. From 24 March, the channel positions will be as follows:

BBC One HD will be on channel 101 for viewers in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, with standard definition BBC One moving to channel 108.
BBC Two HD will be on channel 102 for viewers in England, with standard definition BBC Two moving to channel 109.
BBC Three HD will be on channel 106 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC Three moving to channel 147.
BBC Four HD will be on channel 107 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC Four moving to channel 148.
BBC News HD will be on channel 200 throughout the UK, with standard definition BBC News moving to channel 212.
CBBC HD will be on channel 600 throughout the UK, with standard definition CBBC moving to channel 607.
CBeebies HD will be on channel 601 throughout the UK, with standard definition on CBeebies moving to channel 608.

87 thoughts on “BBC HD channels move to new positions on Freesat”

  1. Tony baker said:
    Here in wales itvhd channel 119 disappeared a couple of days ago. 119 is now a duplicate of 103. Very frustrating.

    It won’t be an exact duplicate of 103 as there’s no ITV HD Wales as of yet! Your probably now getting Central W region instead of London.

  2. Neil said: Even better would be to actually scrap the local radio stations and put the money in to more BBC One HD distribution. There’s a lot of local radio, and people who present on it, that sound like relics of the last century. Fortunately, the stations in the major conurbations (London, WM, Manchester, Leeds etc) all sound much better nowadays but most of the rest leave a lot to be desired!

    ahh, even better point.
    i 2nd your idea. 🙂

  3. Since this change, which I think is sensible, we are unable to get BBC iplayer? Is this a fault related to the change or something else?

  4. bbc one hd cant be on 101 yet due to regional programs, they dont air on bbc one hd only bbc one and it would lead to confusion and frustation to the less tech savvy.

  5. Totally agree with Alvin 16, get 1008 sorted first. How on earth do these changes enhance my viewing? Rubbish!

  6. Can we start persuading ITV, STV and UTV to swap in the parts of the country where there are matching services? And will there come a point when it’ll do C4 more harm than good if they don’t swap? Does anyone know how important regional ads actually are to C4?

  7. Andy Bell said:
    Can we start persuading ITV, STV and UTV to swap in the parts of the country where there are matching services? And will there come a point when it’ll do C4 more harm than good if they don’t swap? Does anyone know how important regional ads actually are to C4?

    It would be good for ITV/STV/UTV to LCN swap, I guess if and when this happens it will be an ITV-wide decision in areas where they simulcast. Regional ads are still very important to ITV, less so to C4 but they do still sell a degree of advertising regionally. Considering C4 have always liked to be ahead of the game in terms of technology I’d have thought that they would have wanted to get the HD version of C4 up to LCN 104 on Freesat and Sky.

  8. How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

  9. davemurgatroyd said:
    How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

    That being the case I may well go back to YouView where all the HD channels are in a block in the EPG instead of having them scattered all over the place. The recent SD/HD swop has only made things worse for me.

  10. RichardC said: That being the case I may well go back to YouView where all the HD channels are in a block in the EPG instead of having them scattered all over the place. The recent SD/HD swop has only made things worse for me.

    And that’s enough justification to go to YouView is it?
    It must be such an inconvenience to press a few buttons on the remote to get the channel you want.
    It does make me wonder how ever did we cope back in days when we had to get off the sofa to change channels and use a TV guide to find what’s on.
    Granted you could re-order those 4 channels how you wish, but still a lot more effort involved than we do today 😀

  11. Michael said: And that’s enough justification to go to YouView is it?
    It must be such an inconvenience to press a few buttons on the remote to get the channel you want.
    It does make me wonder how ever did we cope back in days when we had to get off the sofa to change channels and use a TV guide to find what’s on.
    Granted you could re-order those 4 channels how you wish, but still a lot more effort involved than we do today

    Already had YV for over a year just needs turning on besides I quite like Quest. Will still use Freesat now I’ve deleted the SD channels from the guide I don’t watch which brings the HD ones I do watch closer together again.In ye olde days there were only two channels so getting up once or twice a night to change channels was no problem. 😀

  12. RichardC said: Already had YV for over a year just needs turning on besides I quite like Quest. Will still use Freesat now I’ve deleted the SD channels from the guide I don’t watch which brings the HD ones I do watch closer together again.In ye olde days there were only two channels so getting up once or twice a night to change channels was no problem.

    Blimey they were Ye olde days when it was only 2 channels, a bit before my time I think. Were there colour TVs back then or just black & white?
    I vaguely remember our first tv with a remote control, the TV casing was wooden and the remote was massive with what I can only describe as a grill on the front of it 😀

  13. Buzmuzik on 506 appears to be closing down on Thursday morning from observations on Sky and Freesat EPG listings. I wonder if we’ll see 506 replaced with Scuzz and it’s return to the platform once more? Word has it that CSC have also bought Starz TV which does exactly the same thing as Buzmuzik!

  14. Referring to post 32 anyone in London still experiencing break up on channel 119? Signal deteriorated following change and doing it on two separate installations.

  15. Michael said: Blimey they were Ye olde days when it was only 2 channels, a bit before my time I think. Were there colour TVs back then or just black & white?
    I vaguely remember our first tv with a remote control, the TV casing was wooden and the remote was massive with what I can only describe as a grill on the front of it

    It was a black and white 405 lines vhf only cube at my grans house. BBC2 started on 20th April 1964 and was the first channel to use 625 lines uhf and in 1967 colour so there were dual 405/625 line sets which had two rotary tuners.

  16. Brightonian said:
    Just waiting for joinfreesat.co.uk to update the “Channels” tab listings…

    Was updated, try refreshing (F5) as we had some server changes.

  17. RichardC said: It was a black and white 405 lines vhf only cube at my grans house. BBC2 started on 20th April 1964 and was the first channel to use 625 lines uhf and in 1967 colour so there were dual 405/625 line sets which had two rotary tuners.

    I still have a single channel 405 line monochrome projector TV from the early 50’s – projected a 3ft by 4ft picture (equivalent to current 60″ screen). Given to me by a friend in the 70’s who found it in an antique shop.

  18. Most, maybe all, of the complaints regarding these changes could be fixed if Freesat delivered what they promised many months ago. Namely a HD Genre in the List feature of the HDR/HB 1000S. AND made the the HD and Favourites in List immediately available with ONE button push on the R/C, instead of the useless method currently in place to access List and its sub-genres.

  19. Just checked my Humax. HD channels shifted to where they should be but my iplayer has now stopped working as well (channel 901 I think?)

    Kyle

  20. So lets just make it more complicated and stupid for viewers in England then!!!!.
    BBC1HD and BBC2HD need to be on successive channels for simplicity reasons alone, just switch up or down a channel without having to enter the actual number. And no insult intended, but how much more confusing is this for more elderly viewers, some of who may have problems such as Dementia etc, who may have problems remembering the channel numbers. It is so much better and easier when watching HD via Freeview, where they all follow each other and are simple to understand. This is ludicrous!!!!!!.

  21. DaveP said:
    but how much more confusing is this for more elderly viewers, some of who may have problems such as Dementia etc, who may have problems remembering the channel numbers.

    For the vast majority of that particular group of people its probably not even a concern at all.
    Most are happy to just watch something, whether it’s HD or not will not bother them in the slightest.

  22. Can I add a +1 to comments 54 and 73. Since the re-organising of BBC channels in the EPG, I also no longer have a functioning iPlayer on Channel 901 on my Humax Foxsat HDR. The channel 901 ‘welcome’ screen which requests you to press the red button appears, but on pressing the red button a blank screen apprears and remains indefinitely. ITV player is still accessible.

  23. Dave W said: Yes it does – BBC One Sc HD – http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/programmes/schedules/scotland_hd

    Well maybe Scotland has but in England when regional news comes on you get a red background with a banner telling you to switch over to SD if you want regional news, plus a background noise of children playing outside for the duration of the regional news programme.

    That’s why this really doesn’t make sense. If people switch from 108 to 101 currently for regional news, why wouldn’t they switch from 101 to 108?

    Just plain silly and totally messes the epg up.

    It’s no better now than before they made the changes as its BBC 1 SD . BBC 2 HD > ITV1 SD.

    Said it many times but whats needed is ALL the HD channels from ALL providers at the top of the EPG, a reserved block below that for 4K / 8K, then all the SD channels together below that.

    Careful choice of channel numbers could leave current channels on equivalent numbers to what they have now making learning the new numbers easier.

    Result =

    1. All channels blocked together by type.

    2. Channels encouraged to go HD / 4K / 8K as they climb the EPG by doing so thus increasing their attractiveness to advertisers.

    3. Channel order preserved in the new blocks.

    4. Possible to set a high minimum broadcast standard by getting together with Sky and agreeing minimum standards across the satellite platform for each type of broadcast eg HD could be Full HD Native (not upscaled) / 12mbs / Certain encoder / codec to be used, thus preventing some of the low quality broadcasts seen on some channels.

    But then again, getting the BBC Trust involved and actually doing this would be far too sensible.

  24. Why do freesat channel numbers have to be 3 digits and start at 101?. Why can’t we use the good old fashioned 1,2,3,4,5 then put HD on 101, 102, 103, 104 and then whatever for the rest.
    Sounds far too simple for the BBC. Bound to be bureaucratic nonsense of a reason why not.
    Much simpler for everyone on Freeview channel numbers.

  25. Derek (Original) said:
    Can I add a +1 to comments 54 and 73. Since the re-organising of BBC channels in the EPG, I also no longer have a functioning iPlayer on Channel 901 on my Humax Foxsat HDR. The channel 901 ‘welcome’ screen which requests you to press the red button appears, but on pressing the red button a blank screen apprears and remains indefinitely. ITV player is still accessible.

    Must have been ‘quietly’ sorted as iPlayer now working again on my Humax Foxsat HDR

  26. DaveP said:
    Why do freesat channel numbers have to be 3 digits and start at 101?. Why can’t we use the good old fashioned 1,2,3,4,5 then put HD on 101, 102, 103, 104 and then whatever for the rest.
    Sounds far too simple for the BBC. Bound to be bureaucratic nonsense of a reason why not.Much simpler for everyone on Freeview channel numbers.

    The program lists (epg) are split into genres and you first input the genre number then you input the channel number in that genre. 1 is general entertainment followed by the two digit channel number 01 for BBC1. There are far more than 101 SD channels on Freesat so putting HD starting on 101 is a non runner for them.

  27. Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

  28. ASK said:
    Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

    ASK said:
    Then why not put the HD channels in single digits, I doubt we’ll have a hundred HD channels in my lifetime.

    Read post #59 – that is why not – so get over it.

  29. davemurgatroyd said:
    How many times do the posters on this site need telling that their suggested SD/HD swaps (and EPG re-ordering) cannot legally take place because of the regulations that give the PSBs (BBC, ITV etc) prominence on the EPG. Until the HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 provide the required local content they do not meet one of the major PSB regulations and hence cannot be given the same prominent position that the SD versions have. Until either these regulations are changed with a new Comms Act or the broadcasters meet the PSB regulations on the HD versions it is NOT going to happen so get over it.

    I believe the regulations for Freesat are made by the BBC Trust in conjunction with the government.

    So why don’t the Trust just hold a vote on altering the rules?

    Very little point in having a Trust if it isn’t responsive to the needs of viewers or the platform.

  30. why fix things that are not broke
    stop forcing HD channels onto people bbc1,2 itv have always been on 1,2,3 in order
    now we have to go to 109 to see bbc2

  31. Al (Original) said: I believe the regulations for Freesat are made by the BBC Trust in conjunction with the government.
    So why don’t the Trust just hold a vote on altering the rules?
    Very little point in having a Trust if it isn’t responsive to the needs of viewers or the platform.

    Then you believe incorrectly although the BBC Trust may have some responsibility for the day to day running of freesat and some of its own regulations they still must obey the regulations within the Communications Act 2003 – http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/contents and cannot change those regulations without going through Pariliament. Those regulations include EPG placement for PSBs and regulations for consideration as a PSB and the BBC Trust cannot ignore or amend them on their own decision.

  32. My father used to get BBC 1 Wales on 101, but now he has lost the channel completely and replaced by BBC1 (English channel) – Very confusing for an 88 year old !!

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