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Jun 07 2013

BBC red button now available as separate channelsThe BBC have launched their red button feeds as separate channels on freesat.

BBC red button HD and BBC red button 1 are available on channel 980 and 981 and means you no longer have to fumble around within the red button system to find additional programme feeds for live sport etc. You should also be able to record them for the first time too.

The BBC are working on additional feeds which are expected to also join the line up soon.

77 Responses to “BBC red button now available as separate channels”

  1. Ian Vallender Says:

    Better late than never if only they’d of put these on when there were more red button feeds available too bad they were reduced mind you freeview has had these red button feeds for ages channels 301 and 302

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  2. Brian Damage Says:

    Excellent! More HD!

    Now if only they were broadcasting something more than a static image.

    I wonder if we’ll get some special 3D Wimbledon coverage via this channel.

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  3. Ian Vallender Says:

    Just thought I’d metion if there are any F1 fans out there BBC are currently showing a replay of fp1 on 980/981.

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  4. Derek Says:

    Oh Joy (Not!). The BBC’s reduction of satellite “red button” feeds a while back reduced the coverage of the snooker to a total shambles. Frankly they should not bid for a sport if they cannot cover it properly. I am sure all their executives have “connected TVs” but the majority of the population does not, and some of us (surprise) wish to watch a television output on the TV.

    It doesn’t matter a jot whether these are on 980/981, or available free to air (as previously). What DOES matter is that there are sufficient feeds for the purpose intended.

    Why do we have to reduce to Freeview standards? I suppose it is just “chance” that Wimbledon is around the corner…

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  5. Neil Says:

    Could this be that once Wimbledon has finished and other sporting events the beeb decide to quietly keep these feeds running thus they realise the cutting back of Red Button streams has thus degraded their ability to offer multiple feeds. It’s a bit like how for ages they defended the use of 1440x1080i for HD res and then quietly changed it to 1920x1080i, originally ahead of the Queens Jubilee weekend but then made permanent. It’s interesting the SD RB feed has been labelled ‘BBC RB 1′ and not just ‘BBC RB’, we know there’s two more expecting to join but surely the permanent one would just be labelled with no number?

    With a new DG comes new fresh thinking so there could be a change of direction on all this. If they’ve got some bandwidth DTT-wise for a reasonable cost then could be the case, also it’s clear nobody wants the fifth DTT HD stream as cannot afford it so the beeb need to give us value for money and make use of it. Another thing that the new DG is keen to deal with is Sky’s retransmission (EPG) fees and wants to force Sky to allow PSB’s on their platform at minimal cost, as should be, saving them circa £5m per annum!

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  6. mike65 Says:

    A step in the right direction clearly but only a step. It would be nice if the beeb were less opaque about these services. I can’t find anything on the BBC blogs regarding these channels and their place in the scheme of things.

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  7. Brian Damage Says:

    “The BBC Red Button service is being expanded in time for this year’s Glastonbury music festival, which takes place between 26 and 30 June 2013. Three streams are set to be available from the Red Button on satellite, cable and terrestrial (Freeview), and will be used to show additional coverage(subject to confirmation) of Wimbledon, Glastonbury, Diamond League Athletics, the Women’s Euros as well as several other great events.

    In addition, the BBC is launching an HD Red Button stream on all platforms for most of the summer to showcase many more great events.”

    http://faq.external.bbc.co.uk/questions/help_receiving/HD_summer_redbutton

    As an aside, “Connected Red Button” sounds interesting – more IP TV.
    (Let’s hope that this is being implemented using one of the currently supported methods of G1 Freesat / Freeview HD Smart TV’s)

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  8. Neil Says:

    Cheers for posting that link Brian, answers a few questions. I do hope they make the Red Button HD stream permanent as can be used to showcase HD programming on non-HD channels (as is the case next week for the woman’s Football and Athletics). Whilst there’s no takers for the fifth DTT HD stream then the BBC should make use of it, not that DTT bothers me but when talking about the beeb it only happens with them if it can happen on all platforms!

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  9. Bestie Says:

    Anyone have the satelite frequency details for the channels.?

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  10. Neil Says:

    Bestie said:
    Anyone have the satelite frequency details for the channels.?

    BBC RB HD is on 11023H (DVB-S2 8PSK) 23000 2/3, SID 8900
    BBC RB 1 is on 10773H 22000 5/6, SID 6391

    The two temporary streams are on 12643V 27500 2/3, SID’s 54380 and 54381, these currently have a great BBC promo film from 1998 with some good aerial footage from somewhere in the South West of England by the looks of things.

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  11. mike65 Says:

    It would be a good stealth BBC4 HD.

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  12. SL Says:

    Great news that the BBC have put all the confederations cup games live on the HD red button. I cant believe they did this with the way theyve treated mens sport recently.

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  13. Sensible Paul. Says:

    The promo that Neil refers to in post 10 is the 15 minute “Windmills” film that a lot of people liked when it was being used before BBC HD began. As most of the screen is changing most of the time it stresses the broadcast chain and will show up any problems caused by encoding and insufficient bandwidth.

    In post 8 Neil hopes that RB HD is a permanent fixture. It might not be – the link posted by Mr Damage in post 7 contains this line:

    “In addition, the BBC is launching an HD Red Button stream on all platforms for most of the summer to showcase many more great events.”

    Note the phrase “for most of the summer”, which suggests an end to it’s life. Until more information becomes available later in the year we’ll have to wait to see if the time limitation refers to the “launching” or “on all platforms” part of the sentence.

    Nice to see the HD part of the defunct BBC HD logo being used on the RB HD caption.

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  14. Sensible Paul. Says:

    Blog post by Alix Pryde, Director, BBC Distribution, “A BBC Red Button summer”:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/posts/A-BBC-Red-Button-summer

    In summary, RB2 and 3 are very short term to provide additional capacity, and RB HD is also temporary but will have a longer life than the SD channels.

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  15. Neil Says:

    Sensible Paul. said:
    The promo that Neil refers to in post 10 is the 15 minute “Windmills” film that a lot of people liked when it was being used before BBC HD began.As most of the screen is changing most of the time it stresses the broadcast chain and will show up any problems caused by encoding and insufficient bandwidth.
    In post 8 Neil hopes that RB HD is a permanent fixture.It might not be – the link posted by Mr Damage in post 7 contains this line:
    “In addition, the BBC is launching an HD Red Button stream on all platforms for most of the summer to showcase many more great events.”
    Note the phrase “for most of the summer”, which suggests an end to it’s life.Until more information becomes available later in the year we’ll have to wait to see if the time limitation refers to the “launching” or “on all platforms” part of the sentence.
    Nice to see the HD part of the defunct BBC HD logo being used on the RB HD caption.

    Your right that it sounds time limited in terms of how long it’s available, good to see the BBC have finally released info about their formal plans for it all though.

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  16. Phil Pullen Says:

    I have the channels, but there is no sound. Anyone else have that problem?

    I have rebooted my Echostar box, but no luck.

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  17. Brian carson Says:

    Phil Pullen said: I have the channels, but there is no sound. Anyone else have that problem?I have rebooted my Echostar box, but no luck.

    yes its weird as I also have them on Virgin and they are fine

    I noticed it the other day – GP practice day – some of it did have sound but when they switched Eddie Jordan or Suzi Perry all of a sudden the sound was removed until it switched back to the racing.

    just now – Spring watch is on and there is no chirping { 981 } but using my V+ box there is chirping

    I have a Echostar HDS-600RS – I have sound on every other channel.

    it may be a rights issue

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  18. Sensible Paul. Says:

    The one thing it isn’t is a rights issue. The thing that jumps out to me is that you both have Echostars, and no one else with a different make is chiming in with “me too”.

    Channel 981 (RB 1) and the stream you access via the red button are one and the same. Simple test: when you have no audio on RB 1 go to a “proper” BBC channel and use the Red Button to select the stream. If you can get audio by selecting the channel via the Red Button method but still cannot get audio by directly entering the channel number it points to the Echostars having problems decoding the datastream correctly for a channel that is accessed both via the Red Button and directly.

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  19. Dan Says:

    Why are they not showing Queens tennis on RB HD, it’s on BBC Two HD between 1-6pm but only on RB SD in the surrounding hours.

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  20. Richard Crichton Says:

    Off topic but today at 13.00 TCM HD was on 12.226H SR 29500 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2
    QRSK labeled as 3906

    http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/latestnews.htm

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  21. r.crichton Says:

    Currently showing legend of the lost.

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  22. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    Off topic but today at 13.00 TCM HD was on 12.226H SR 29500 FEC 3/4 DVB-S2
    QRSK labeled as 3906
    http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/latestnews.htm

    had a look at it earlier, the lip sync looked a tad out but apart from that PQ was good.

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  23. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said: had a look at it earlier, the lip sync looked a tad out but apart from that PQ was good.

    Enjoyed ‘ The Rundown’ last night with The Rock and Chris Walken. Didn’t notice a lip sync problem but I was just enjoying a good film.

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  24. Neil Says:

    Maybe it was the content showing at the time? I presume it’s still FTA then??

    Red Button HD is now showing a promo video.

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  25. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said:
    Maybe it was the content showing at the time? I presume it’s still FTA then??
    Red Button HD is now showing a promo video.

    Yeah so far still FTA. Is this just to show us what were missing or something else I wonder.
    Red button HD starting soon then :D

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  26. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Yeah so far still FTA. Is this just to show us what were missing or something else I wonder.
    Red button HD starting soon then

    Surprised it’s not gone encrypted yet, yep probably teasing us.. he he!!

    It appears the EPG data for Red Button HD hasn’t been updated yet, there’s some Athletics simulcast on it this evening which isn’t listed. I believe the RB 2 and RB 3 streams have now been added but not at home so can’t check.

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  27. Steven Morgan Says:

    Well done BBC. Excellent news.

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  28. Keith Cobby Says:

    Nearly half way through the year, it’s a bit quiet on the HD front. Are any new HD channels expected this year?

    My Panasonic G20 is showing ‘no signal’ on 980/1.

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  29. swjoduk Says:

    Watching the Brazil v Japan game on BBC RB HD. The audio was terribly out of sync for the Neymar go. New it was a goal from the audio b4 he even kicked it on the picture!

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  30. Dan Says:

    swjoduk said:
    Watching the Brazil v Japan game on BBC RB HD. The audio was terribly out of sync for the Neymar go. New it was a goal from the audio b4 he even kicked it on the picture!

    Same on BBC3.

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  31. kdhuk Says:

    So on Sat evening we have the Brazil confederations cup game streaming on BBC RB HD on freesat. Strangely though no link via red button from BBC3 – most viewers would not know it”s available in HD

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  32. swjoduk Says:

    Its seemed to correct itself when a corner came in, there was a repeat in what was said and then it was fine.

    Not a great start to their coverage!

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  33. SL Says:

    Is anyone having recording problems ont he HD red button? I recorded 2 things today and both failed, both had the box wake up 15 mins ahead of time and only started recording the moment I switched on the box.

    Also, the football commentary is terribly out of sync.

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  34. swjoduk Says:

    Anyone had issues recording the BBC RB HD channel on 980?

    I am trying to record it when its live but can the cannot do symbol. Haven’t tried scheduling it

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  35. A Brightonian Says:

    Our household can’t watch channels without subtitles. I wonder if the BBC are obliged to provide these on what is effectively, not a new channel?

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  36. Paul S Says:

    Well, this is going well isn’t it? First the audio and video synch issue, then last night the advertised game, despite showing on the EPG, was not broadcast at all on the RB HD service.
    So, more like a summer of incompetence rather than a summer of sport!

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  37. JamesB Says:

    On the Freesat community portal, freesat have said there is a problem, at the BBC’s transmission side and they are working on it.

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  38. swjoduk Says:

    How annoying, missed the Tahiti game due to an evening meeting at work and rushed back to see the highlights only to find the BBC RB HD channel was unavailable!

    Was back showing its preview this morning

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  39. Dave Says:

    Hi admin , not sure if I’m off topic but I usually am :-)
    Any news yet 4OD its now the 18 June they only have a week or so left from there promis of 4OD in June ……..

    Can you give any advice ano you probably cannot say much but even hint ……..

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  40. admin Says:

    Dave said:
    Hi admin , not sure if I’m off topic but I usually am :-)
    Any news yet 4OD its now the 18 June they only have a week or so left from there promis of 4OD in June ……..
    Can you give any advice ano you probably cannot say much but even hint ……..

    Not sure Dave, freesat have gone very quiet!!!

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  41. jamesb Says:

    Is that good?

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  42. Michael Says:

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  43. Chris Says:

    Does anyone know the Video-PID and Audio-PID of BBC Red Button HD?

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  44. Neil Says:

    Michael said:
    Apparently BBC are blaming Sky for Red Button issue.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/blogaboutthebbc/posts/A-BBC-Red-Button-summer?postId=116501408#comment_116501408

    That’s terrible but what has Sky got to do with freesat? Is there sour grapes between the two organisations such that Sky seem free to remove a channel at adaptation because it’s not on their platform? It’s disgusting they’ve removed it from freesat viewers just because it’s also now not appearing on Sky’s EPG.

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  45. Sensible Paul. Says:

    Lots of idiot comments on the BBC blog from people who don’t understand how the technology works. There is one RB HD video stream, but two different sets of “control” data on the same multiplex to allow both Sky and Freesat boxes decode the channels. The two platforms use completely different software within the STBs, hence the need for two sets of control data. Clearly the two sets of control data are conflicting in some way. If this was a standard HD channel there wouldn’t be a problem as it’s something that we know works already, but as it’s a RB stream (as well as being directly selectable) the extra data is screwing things up.

    If the issue is one that can’t be solved in the timescale available a quick – though not a cheap – option would be to put two RB HD streams up, one for Sky boxes, and the other for Freesat.

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  46. swjoduk Says:

    Thanks BBC that’s my Confederations Cup action at 8pm ruined unless its on BBC1 HD.

    Glastonbury and Wimbledon start very soon too.

    I hope they fix it v soon!

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  47. Keith Cobby Says:

    Of course the BBC could simply transmit more channels in HD. They are clearly not short of money, look at their huge number of journalists at the G8 meeting in NI.

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  48. Michael Says:

    http://www.a516digital.com/2013/06/o…l?spref=tw&m=1

    The BBC’s Alix Pryde has confirmed that ongoing discussions are taking place to restore the BBC Red Button HD channel on satellite.

    BBC Red Button HD first launched on Freesat channel 980 on the 6th June. Due to an apparent failure to reach an agreement with the pay TV giant, the first few days of Red Button HD from last Thursday remained absent from Sky’s channel line-up.

    Now the service has been withdrawn from satellite completely. Alix Pryde has confirmed that the BBC is “working with Sky” on both matters – i.e. not being available on Sky and not being available on Freesat.

    It is likely that there are issues surrounding the data being sent alongside the Red Button HD service. Simply put, there needs to be two different sets of data on the same satellite transponder, enabling both Sky and Freesat boxes decode the channels, with Freesat data needing to pass through an adaptation hub, operated by Sky. This is because both platforms use different systems and technologies. Although Freesat operates as an independent platform, the adaptation hub stage can affect how services are launched on both Freesat and Sky. Often, new services appear on the Sky channel list first.

    There have also been reports that the BBC is unwilling to pay extra platform fees for carriage on Sky. The BBC, alongside other public service broadcasters, are charged additional fees by Sky on top of the typical EPG fees charged by all digital TV platform operators. Media reports often call the extra Sky fees “retransmission fees”, although Sky uses the same signal uplinked by the BBC and other public service broadcasters to satellite and used by Freesat. The BBC recently began receiving a discount from Sky after the Corporation allowed Sky to carry its catch-up portal BBC iPlayer.

    The surprise removal of the HD service on Freesat channel 980 has angered various internet forum members expecting to see HD Confederation’s Cup coverage via BBC Red Button HD. The facts regarding the Red Button HD removal on satellite may yet be revealed and the channel may be reinstated in time for Wimbledon and Glastonbury next week – in the meantime BBC Red Button HD continues on Freeview HD/YouView channel 303 and via Virgin Media.

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  49. Michael Says:

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  50. Dan Says:

    The loss of the Red Button HD channel is a real loss, it’s the first time freesat have really promoted the launch of a HD channel in a long time. Furthermore, with this coming 2 days before the first 11pm Confederations Cup game on a non-HD linear channel & 5 days before Wimbledon, I can see why people are frustrated like myself. Especially for freesat customers, when you consider the increasing delays to 4oD and Demand 5, added to the omission of channel launches in the last couple of months. Let’s hope this all changes very soon.

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  51. SL Says:

    I bet Sky also somehow have something to do with the HD channel failing to record as well.

    Id rather the BBC not pay sky and remove their channels from sky as payback than give in to the sky blackmail.

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  52. Richard Crichton Says:

    Glad I’ve got U view as well as Freesat is all I can say. I’ve always thought the BBC should remove their channels from Sky unless they pay hansomely.

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  53. swjoduk Says:

    SL said: I bet Sky also somehow have something to do with the HD channel failing to record as well.Id rather the BBC not pay sky and remove their channels from sky as payback than give in to the sky blackmail.

    I was finding that one minute I could record, but then other times I couldn’t.

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  54. swjoduk Says:

    @ 48

    Does this mean that Sky can effectively control what channels are on Freesat via this adaptation hub?

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  55. Richard Crichton Says:

    swjoduk said:
    @ 48
    Does this mean that Sky can effectively control what channels are on Freesat via this adaptation hub?

    Yes it does mean that. BT aren’t happy with Sky either and Ofcom are launching an investigation. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22970723

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  56. SL Says:

    swjoduk said: I was finding that one minute I could record, but then other times I couldn’t.

    I could always record manually but the schedule failed 4 times out of 4 so it was obvious Sky werent sending the start timer. Probably another decision done on purpose designed to weasel more money out of the BBC.

    Im pleased theyve finally grown a backbone even though it negatively affects me.

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  57. Chris S Says:

    If these “Adaption Hubs” are the gateway to allowing any broadcaster equal opportunities to create a satellite TV platform (by adding additional metatadata to DVB-S) then they shouldn’t be under Sky’s control and having to pay Sky to be able to use them. Full stop. It’s like Sky is the default “incumbent” broadcaster in the UK. If anything, facilities like that should be separated out into an independent company, like what happened with Openreach, then again it can be debated as to whether that strategy worked!

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  58. JamesB Says:

    I agree sky should pay the PSBs for their feeds, turn on encryption if need be, and leave freesat alone, as the free alternative. Simple. This is bullying by sky, just so they get the RB channels at no cost. If you want them pay

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  59. Dave Says:

    so does this mean that no channel may exist on freesat, unless it’s on Sky ?

    So $KY up to there old tricks again – they hate competition.

    I thought going to freesat would be the end of dealing with $KY but they still seem to get in somewhere

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  60. Neil Says:

    Chris S said:
    If these “Adaption Hubs” are the gateway to allowing any broadcaster equal opportunities to create a satellite TV platform (by adding additional metatadata to DVB-S)then they shouldn’t be under Sky’s control and having to pay Sky to be able to use them. Full stop. It’s like Sky is the default “incumbent” broadcaster in the UK.If anything, facilities like that should be separated out into an independent company, like what happened with Openreach, then again it can be debated as to whether that strategy worked!

    I agree 100%, splitting Sky’s subscription and platform operations from that of content would sort this. Sky are under Ofcom obligation to pass freesat EPG and other data at Adaptation I believe, how much is charged I’m not sure? If the BBC don’t reach agreement with Sky it should reappear on the freesat home transponder as this won’t have an Adaptation Hub and as such is out of their control. The new DG is keen to take on Sky with regards retransmission fees and this fiasco isn’t doing Sky any favours. I can see an end to this whole ‘platform neutrality’ policy by the BBC going forward if Sky don’t play ball. ITV and C4 are happy to let the beeb fight it out and then pop their heads out after and demand they get zero retransmission costs as the BBC win their argument! As the other PSB’s are in Sky’s pockets they don’t want to rock the boat, wrong I know but that’s business I guess!

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  61. Michael Says:

    Someone posted this link on Freesat Community earlier.
    Make of what you will.
    https://sky.response.lithium.com/portal/conversation/687615

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  62. Richard Crichton Says:

    Michael said:
    Someone posted this link on Freesat Community earlier.
    Make of what you will.
    https://sky.response.lithium.com/portal/conversation/687615

    Even if true why should the BBC give them anything. They are a business. A very very profitable business at that.

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  63. JamesB Says:

    its the public’s money. the bbc have to channel resources on programming, not Murdoch’s profits. If anything SKY benefit from the inclusion of the PSB channels. If anything there should be no costs involved to the PSBs

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  64. Michael Says:

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  65. Michael Says:

    “BBC reaches agreement with Sky to allow Red Button HD on Freesat”

    “The BBC has confirmed that although the HD stream will not be available to Sky viewers, the standard definition streams will be available via the Red Button. As it stands, the streams will now not appear in the Sky Electronic Programme Guide (EPG) on the channel numbers that were previously advertised. It is understood that limitations on Sky HD receivers will prevent the manual addition of the Red Button HD stream via “other channels”.”
    http://www.a516digital.com/2013/06/bbc-reaches-agreement-with-sky-to-allow.html?spref=tw&m=1

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  66. jamesb Says:

    So slow well now. Until next time! Btw there’s a sw update at Humax online to help those freetime users who have had issues with the catchup/showcase/player

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  67. jamesb Says:

    So over now!

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  68. fatbloke Says:

    One in the eye for Sky! I bet they didn’t like that!

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  69. mike65 Says:

    Good news, now somone (OFCOM) needs to look at why SKY are allowed to be the gatekeepers for all UK sat broadcast data.

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  70. SL Says:

    OFCOM are useless, they wont do a thing. Good news for the BBC standing up to Sky, the bad news is the channels wont be recordable but the fact Sky wont have them at all surely means they will cave before Wimbledon and we will be allowed to record.

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  71. NetworkFour Says:

    Anyone know why YouTube is not working on Freetime boxes? There’s a information page saying there are “technical difficulties”, you can get onto YouTube, but when you try to play a video there’s just a blank screen with “Loading” on.
    Is this related to the above?
    Thanks.

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  72. Neil Says:

    neilckquote cite=”comment-56285″>
    fatbloke said:
    One in the eye for Sky! I bet they didn’t like that!

    I bet they didn’t but hats off to the BBC for standing their ground and not caving in to Sky’s demands. Ofcom need to put their foot down and clip Sky’s wings, sadly as they appear toothless nowt will happen.

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  73. Richard Crichton Says:

    The BBC is running a’ the future of tv is connected promo’ . Wonder if that is to wind up $ky or just coincidence.

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  74. Avril Says:

    I have a Humax Freesat box and I cannot get red button service on the 981 channel. can someone tell me how I can get this please?

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  75. Avril Says:

    I cannot get the red button channel 981 – have Freesat+ Humax box. Can someone advise please?

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  76. John Says:

    I am also having problems with 981 and a Humax box. I get the message on 981 “The channel is scrambled or currently not available.”

    When I use the red button text service I can access news, sport etc. etc., but not any additional services e.g. Glastonbury or Wimbledon.

    Any ideas as to what the problem could be?

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  77. John Says:

    Interesting. I did a manual retune on the Humax when this problem first arose having read that this is the ‘best’ way to retune, but it didn’t solve the problem.

    Today just did an automatic retune and hey presto, everything is hunky dory!

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