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Jul 16 2013

The BBC has announced it plans to launch five new high definition channels by early 2014.

There will be HD versions of BBC News, BBC Three, BBC Four, CBeebies and CBBC.

They will be available over rooftop aerials via Freeview receivers as well as satellite and cable services.

The news coincides with regulator Ofcom’s announcement that is making it possible to launch a total of 10 new HD channels using airwaves freed up by the switch off of analogue TV.

Tony Hall, BBC’s director general said:

BBC One HD and BBC Two HD have already proved to be highly valued by our audiences and I’m delighted that we’re able to follow this with the launch of five new subscription-free BBC HD channels by early 2014.

These new channels will allow us to showcase more of our programming at its very best.

Story taken from BBC News website

114 Responses to “BBC to launch five new HD channels”

  1. Big Adam Says:

    Woo-hoo!
    : )

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  2. Zubs Says:

    About time, glad to see they are actually taking a step forward and listening for a change. Thx BBC

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  3. Darren Speck Says:

    Excellent news, keep them coming.

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  4. Andy Says:

    Great news. Was annoyed when BBC HD disappeared mainly because of the loss of BBC Four content. A good day!

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  5. Neil Says:

    Cracking news and long overdue. Will be great to see BBC News in native HD plus the content on BBC’s Three and Four all in HD too.

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  6. stephen Says:

    Exellent, as mentioned before back with the quality programming on BBC4, presume local channels will upgrade also.

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  7. Adrian Lucas Says:

    Good news, but why do Freesat users have to wait ? The “airwaves freed up by the switch off of analogue TV” is a Freeview issue. With the number of extra HD channels the BBC provided for the Olympics on Freesat, capacity is NOT a problem. Let’s face it, all tv is now produced in HD so just put it out in HD. And on the last point, I am amazed $ky STILL want to charge an extra £120 a year to view in HD. They will charge extra for colour soon !

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  8. Richard Crichton Says:

    Absolutely fabulous news. $ky are greedy bar stewards and people are misguided enought to pay the extra £10.60 that is why they charge it however when Sly jump on the 4K bandwagon they will probably ban all the SD channles and make HD standard. Not before time imho and Freesat should do the same, after all SD is so last century and all new tvs are HD enabled.Heres hoping Freesat looks better than Freeview unless the BBC screw it up.(I wouldn’t put it past them).

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  9. Nik Halton Says:

    Let’s not get too carried away here: Justin Fletcher in HD is not an experience I’m keen to encourage.

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  10. Richard Crichton Says:

    There is also the potential for a further 8 HD channels on Freeview so Freesat needs to keep the HD coming.

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  11. Wouter Says:

    Great news! can’t wait for it. Just hope I can also adjust the channel order on the tv, so I have all the HD channels sequential.

    Now just Five HD on Freesat…

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  12. Neil Says:

    Couldn’t agree more Richard about Sky. This could be the camel that breasted subscription PSB HD’s back in terms of charging FTA operators for their services behind paywalls. Now the beeb have done this perhaps we’ll finally see ITV’s 2-4 HD go FTA too?

    One thing the BBC haven’t and won’t mention is that they’ll only be available on DTT for up to 63% of the population and probably 30% at launch. Satellite-wise they’ll have full coverage from the outset, thus boosting Freesat’s merits. If we get Arise News in HD shortly this will mean 12 HD services on the platform by early next year.

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  13. Neil Says:

    Neil said: This could be the camel that breasted subscription PSB HD’s back in terms of charging FTA operators for their services behind paywalls.

    Don’t you just love predictive text on mobile phones! The word ‘breasted’ should read ‘broke’ !!

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  14. Michael Says:

    Neil said:
    Couldn’t agree more Richard about Sky. This could be the camel that breasted subscription PSB HD’s back in terms of charging FTA operators for their services behind paywalls. Now the beeb have done this perhaps we’ll finally see ITV’s 2-4 HD go FTA too?
    One thing the BBC haven’t and won’t mention is that they’ll only be available on DTT for up to 63% of the population and probably 30% at launch. Satellite-wise they’ll have full coverage from the outset, thus boosting Freesat’s merits. If we get Arise News in HD shortly this will mean 12 HD services on the platform by early next year.

    Although I’d like to say ‘never say never’, but all the time ITV are getting subscription revenue for ITV2,3,4HD then its unlikely we will see them on Freesat anytime soon.

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  15. Saltydawg Says:

    Great News for Freesat, now c’mon Five and ITV, get yer finger out!

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  16. Ash Says:

    @Neil, the licence condition of the two new HD muxes is that they must have at least 50% coverage to launch, although Arqiva have said they’ll cover 70% of the population.

    ….now back to Freesat. Yet more good news. Maybe we’ll now see HD variants placed at the front of the EPG when all of the BBC regions go HD too.

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  17. Kevin Says:

    Interestingly the BBC cannot bear to use the word Freesat. Is this because they are in awe of Sky.

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  18. Steven Morgan Says:

    This is good news. I hope Freesat will use this to promote the service.

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  19. Neil Says:

    Michael said: Although I’d like to say ‘never say never’, but all the time ITV are getting subscription revenue for ITV2,3,4HD then its unlikely we will see them on Freesat anytime soon.

    I agree but for ITV it’s more about them being on-board Freeview HD and not getting their services left out as the lions share of viewing comes from there. C4 are making some services available (hopefully then on satellite too), so it’s a possibility ITV will make use of the available bandwidth to offer ITV2-4HD? Only a thought and they could stay pay but time will tell.

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  20. Kevin McFarlane Says:

    Btw, anyone know the latest on CNN HD? There was a statement earlier in the year saying it would launch on satellite (not necessarily Freesat) in June.

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  21. strangequarks Says:

    I see nothing but good news in this release, the lack of HD coverage for BBC4 since the demise of BBC HD has been painful – though that pain has been somewhat ameliorated by the distinct plunge in quality of the BBC4 content.

    Would like to see the HD channel variants for BBC1, BBC2, ITV, Channel 4, BBC3, BBC4 placed at the top of the EPG for those (surely most by now?) with HD receivers.

    The glaring omission remains Channel 5 HD. Would not be quite so bad if their SD satellite picture were watchable: the 5 cricket highlights are a pixelated mess.

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  22. Chris S Says:

    A bit of a shame that the BBC’s own article plugs Freeview so much and doesn’t even mention Freesat, even saying that Freeview HD might only reach up to 70% but not mentioning Freesat’s virtually global coverage. admin – I really think it’s time for you to have a word in Freesat’s ear about the bias towards Freeview in all press releases, even the BBC’s.

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  23. admin Says:

    Chris S said:
    admin – I really think it’s time for you to have a word in Freesat’s ear about the bias towards Freeview in all press releases, even the BBC’s.

    It is frustrating, but ultimately comes down to the BBC not being able to promote platforms they have a direct financial relationship with. With that consideration in mind, they have done the right thing by not mentioning the alternative satellite platform by name, nor cable. Freeview had to mentioned as it is that platform which has caused the delay of this launch given the BBC’s neutrality requirement.

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  24. Neil Says:

    Admin, here’s a bit more info on the BBC Media section of their site:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/bbchdchannels.html

    Looks like DTT-wise BBC Three/CBBC will occupy the fifth DTT slot so may launch soon after RB HD closes on all platforms.

    It is a pity when it comes to the beeb that we all have to look to DTT (freeview) before we can hope for the same services on freesat. At least they’ll never go behind a paywall which is a big plus!

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  25. Richard Crichton Says:

    I hope Freesat will have a EPG subsection for HD channels now instead of having to jump all over tthe place as at present. Luckily I can use the favourites list facility to list them together but not all boxes have that facility.

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  26. Keith Cobby Says:

    This is something I have been asking for on every thread, so thank you BBC.

    Hopefully this will encourage other broadcasters to transmit their content in HD.

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  27. scott Says:

    this is excellent news cant wait for them to launch will be good to see top of the pops in hd. does anyone know if there is a entertainment news program on any of the news channels instead of the usual politics that they have on.

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  28. SA Says:

    finaly .
    some long awaited news, good old auntie beeb.
    c mon ITV , C4 and 5 wake up and feed us, we are hungry…..

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  29. Keith (original) Says:

    Excellent news!

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  30. Alvin Pritchard Says:

    About bloody time …. the more HD channels on all platforms the merrier.

    Most homes have the HD kit now but feel frustrated by the fact that less than 8% of all Freesat & Freeview channels are in HD, WITHOUT having to pay through your nose to get them from SKY that is.

    Lets hope that 1080p transmission is not too far off too, as most modern kit these days contains this capability but are unable to use it because of restrictions in transmission quality.

    Todays HD kit is now accelerating at such a pace that broadcaster can not keep up with it.

    We will not even mention 4K, Ultra HD & OLED technology!

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  31. Clem Dye Says:

    All well and good, but where’s Film4HD and More4HD? These channels, along with E4HD, are already up for grabs on $ky, why not Freesat?

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  32. Andy Bell Says:

    It’s good news all round but there’s lots of potential for Freesat. The extra BBC channels won’t be available in Freeview Light areas and some places which have the full Freeview service just now. If they’re joined by a couple of channels from C4 as seems possible it becomes so much easier to sell Freesat as a trade up from Freeview.

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  33. conor Says:

    Andy Bell said:
    It’s good news all round but there’s lots of potential for Freesat. The extra BBC channels won’t be available in Freeview Light areas and some places which have the full Freeview service just now. If they’re joined by a couple of channels from C4 as seems possible it becomes so much easier to sell Freesat as a trade up from Freeview.

    I think ITV channel 4 and 5 need to take note and launch more hd channels also

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  34. FRAZER PALMER Says:

    MANY WITH ONLY THE ORIGINAL FREEVIEW WILL NEED HELP IN CHOOSING HOW TO BUY A DEVICE WHICH WILL ENABLE THEM TO UPDATE THEIR AERIAL VIEWING TO HD CHANNELS – NOT NECESSARILY RECORDING.

    OTHERWISE VERY GOOD NEWS – WILL THERE BE WAYS IN IMPROVING HIGH DEFINITION WITH GREATER COMPRESSION OF SIGNAL TECHNOLOGY AS WELL AS IMPROVED STUDIO AND FILM HD

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  35. FRAZER PALMER Says:

    I HAVE A TWO HUNDRED POUND TV WITH 2D/3D CAPABILITY – BUT IT IS POOR SHOWING LIVE BBC 3D BROADCASTS – PARTLY BECAUSE THE PICTURE DEFINITION ENDS UP BLURRED – FAR WORSE THAN SD TV!

    THIS SET MAKES GOOD USE OF THE BEST BLU-RAY 3D FILMS – SUCH AS THE HOBBIT.

    AM HESITANT ABOUT UPGRADING TO AN EXPENSIVE 3D SET!

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  36. lawrence pearce Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    I hope Freesat will have a EPG subsection for HD channels now instead of having to jump all over tthe place as at present. Luckily I can use the favourites list facility to list them together but not all boxes have that facility.

    Completely agree and surely now would be the perfect time to make the change. Freeview group all HD channels together (starting at 101,102, 103 etc) while retaining the old SD channel lineup for local news content, so why can’t Freesat do something similar?

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  37. George Says:

    Good stuff, long reign Freesat.
    Greedy sky.

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  38. Richard Crichton Says:

    Frazer Palmer. the BBC recently announced that 3D programming is on hold indefinately due to lack of public interest.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23195479

    Why no BBC Parliament and BBC Alba in HD? Once all BBC is HD there will be no need for SD/HD EPG duplication. ie HD boxes only get the HD listing.

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  39. Richard Crichton Says:

    Thing are not looking too good for 3D so I would not go out of my way to buy kit or pay extra for the capability.
    3D sport channel on ESPN in US to close after three years.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22886822

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  40. martin Says:

    I am I missing something here the bbc channels that we allready have will be in hd where are the NEW channels !!!!!

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  41. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Thing are not looking too good for 3D so I would not go out of my way to buy kit or pay extra for the capability.3D sport channel on ESPN in US to close after three years.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22886822

    3D is becoming a dead-duck and passing fad, I predicted it would go this way. It will be popular with the technophobes but not with the masses. The Olympic 3D viewing figures proved that last year, glad to see the BBC have come to their senses and some of this budget is now going to launch the HD channels for which will offer licence fee payers much better value for money.

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  42. mike65 Says:

    martin said:
    I am I missing something here the bbc channels that we allready have will be in hd where are the NEW channels !!!!!

    You are on the wrong topic thread. This is about BBC expanding HD.

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  43. Andy Clayton Says:

    No offence to those who watch it, but BBC Alba should be shifted down the EPG so BBC Three HD and BBC Four HD can go alongside BBC One HD and BBC Two HD. I can’t see any other way to do it unless, as has been suggested, there’s a replacement for the SD channel numbers on HD boxes. This latter option makes the most sense as Auntie Beeb has also said that they want to launch all their regional variations in HD too (which, of course, requires no extra space on Freeview). Will have to wait and see.

    Whatever happens – It’s all good.

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  44. alexander Says:

    Once the channels are broadcasting, then BBC Parliament and Alba can take the conversion to HD.

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  45. Neil Says:

    Andy Clayton said: No offence to those who watch it, but BBC Alba should be shifted down the EPG so BBC Three HD and BBC Four HD can go alongside BBC One HD and BBC Two HD. I can’t see any other way to do it unless, as has been suggested, there’s a replacement for the SD channel numbers on HD boxes. This latter option makes the most sense as Auntie Beeb has also said that they want to launch all their regional variations in HD too (which, of course, requires no extra space on Freeview). Will have to wait and see.Whatever happens – It’s all good.

    Andy, as BBC Three, Four, News, CBBC and Cbeebies don’t have regionalisation they will, I assume, take direct EPG swaps for those with HD equipment, so will appear on 106, 107, 200, 600 and 601. Only on Sky makes broadcasters keep an SD and HD EPG slot, to make more money I guess… no surprise there!

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  46. lawrence pearce Says:

    “Only on Sky makes broadcasters keep an SD and HD EPG slot, to make more money I guess… no surprise there!”

    Personally I like the idea of keeping the SD channels, if only for the benefit of any recordings taking up less space. If I know that the program material is old, or not originated in HD, I will always record the SD version. (I’m making the assumption that this takes up less hard disk space, but then again is this the right assumption?)

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  47. Dave Says:

    Sorry I’m in the wrong question thread …

    Hi admin or anyone who knows

    Are freesat still planing a app for the iPhone please

    Also on this new major launch mentioned maybe its Netflix finaly joining freesat

    Thanks guys

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  48. Andy Clayton Says:

    Neil @ 45 That’s a really good point and makes sense. I hadn’t thought about that. However Lawrence @ 46 makes a good point about SD recordings (yes, Lawrence, they DO take up less space on your hard drive).

    Luckily the beeb’s use of HD content is pretty high and there will likely be plenty of original HD programming on the new HD channels. Can’t say the same about ITV’s 2-4 which are (for me personally – and it is just my opinion) a total waste of bandwidth so not in any hurry to see the HD versions of those come to Freesat.

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  49. Richard Crichton Says:

    Nice that live FA cup football is returning to the BBC from next season (in HD I presume). Another one in the eye for greedy Sly.

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  50. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    Nice that live FA cup football is returning to the BBC from next season (in HD I presume). Another one in the eye for greedy Sly.

    I read that too, also an article about the BBC and BT potentially going in a joint deal to grab all the European Championship rights between them when they come up. Sky’s football monopoly is somewhat being eroded slowly and about time too. When you say ‘next season’, I presume you mean the one coming in August and not Aug 2014?

    Andy @ 48 – yep, see your point about SD recordings but the HD versions don’t take too much space on your HDD.

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  51. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said: I read that too, also an article about the BBC and BT potentially going in a joint deal to grab all the European Championship rights between them when they come up. Sky’s football monopoly is somewhat being eroded slowly and about time too. When you say ‘next season’, I presume you mean the one coming in August and not Aug 2014?
    Andy @ 48 – yep, see your point about SD recordings but the HD versions don’t take too much space on your HDD.

    Yeah forgot the season hasn’t started yet. It’s from the start of the 2014-15 season.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23339424

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  52. Harry Says:

    Dave said:
    Hi admin or anyone who knows
    Are freesat still planing a app for the iPhone please
    Also on this new major launch mentioned maybe its Netflix finaly joining freesat
    Thanks guys

    Yes- apps for iOS and Android are in development. As expected, they’ll have close integration with (remote record, remote control, showcase etc…). The freesat website will be refreshed around the same time, allowing you to set recordings for devices. It is also set to include integration for pay on-demand services. Expected sometime in Q4 (probably 31st December knowing freesat…)

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  53. Harry Says:

    “free time” has disappeared from the above post due to the inclusion of “<" arrows!
    '…integration with freetime'
    '…set recordings for freetime devices'

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  54. martin Says:

    mike65 said: You are on the wrong topic thread. This is about BBC expanding HD.

    Yes I read the headline bbc to launch five NEW bbc channels not expanding the sd versions in to hd we got nouthing new here just a better picture

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  55. mike65 Says:

    martin said: Yes I read the headline bbc to launch five NEW bbc channels notexpanding the sd versions in to hd we got nouthing new here just a better picture

    Ah right, you were obliquely critiquing the Admins tabloid headline style! ;-)

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  56. Al (Original) Says:

    Adrian Lucas said:
    Good news, but why do Freesat users have to wait ?The “airwaves freed up by the switch off of analogue TV” is a Freeview issue. With the number of extra HD channels the BBC provided for the Olympics on Freesat, capacity is NOT a problem. Let’s face it, all tv is now produced in HD so just put it out in HD. And on the last point, I am amazed $ky STILL want to charge an extra £120 a year to view in HD. They will charge extra for colour soon !

    I’m not sure it says the wait to 2014 is due to analogue space becoming available. It could be they just can’t equip the extra production studios with HD until 2014. However, equally analogue being to blame wouldn’t surprise me!

    As ever Adrian it seems that maybe they dare not launch anything on Freesat that isn’t also on Freeview.

    The apparent political correctness at the BBC in relation to Freesat and Freeview really p*sses me and a lot of other people off.

    I’ve been saying for over 5 years now, let the platforms stand on their own and play to their own strengths especially given the difficulties now faced in transmitting 4k and then 8K (32 times full HD).

    Freesat would make the ideal showcase channel for BBC Worldwide for foreign sales if only the BBC would let each platform play to its strengths and up the content and quality on Freesat to reflect its greater bandwidth availability. (Freeviews’ big strength is the fact that the equipment to receive it is cheaper for those who are less enthusiastic about tv).

    That said, all those extra HD channels are very welcome.

    Richard Crichton said:
    … when Sly jump on the 4K bandwagon they will probably ban all the SD channles and make HD standard. Not before time imho and Freesat should do the same, after all SD is so last century and all new tvs are HD enabled.

    I couldn’t agree more Richard.

    HD boxes can downscale to SD Tv’s and if they get the spec right, 4K boxes should be able to downscale to both HD and SD.

    There’s simply no reason to continue with an SD service, not least of which because you have to ask the question where will all of the bandwidth come from to transmit 3 versions of the same channel?

    Especially when you consider that 4K has twice as many pixels as Full HD at TV resolutions (unfortunately to make it fit a 16:9 tv, it loses 1/2 of its pixel count which by rights is 4 times Full HD).

    Either way, 4K will need considerably more bandwidth than HD. HD requires quite a bit of bandwidth so how can any channel afford or find the bandwidth for all three? I can’t see it myself.

    Something has to give and given that Freesat has reported sales of around 85-90% in HD boxes and only 10-15% SD (from my memory (could be wrong but the figures were something like that I believe_), its obvious that SD transmissions should cease especially when SD can be supplied via a downscale.

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  57. admin Says:

    mike65 said: Ah right, you were obliquely critiquing the Admins tabloid headline style! ;-)

    Blame the BBC, this is a copy of their press release ;)

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  58. Keith Cobby Says:

    As soon as Freesat unshackles from Freeview the platform will become a much more serious problem for Sky and then I think we will see many more HD channels.

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  59. Anthony Says:

    I hope these new channel will incorporate full Dolby Digital 5.1 surround on live and recorded programmes;that would make them the ultimate channels!

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  60. Al (Original) Says:

    Anthony said:
    I hope these new channel will incorporate full Dolby Digital 5.1 surround on live and recorded programmes;that would make them the ultimate channels!

    +1. Desperately needed, proper sound, well for films, dramas and sport.

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  61. dan Says:

    Admin, what happened to insportive, the post olympic broadcast channel?

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  62. Neil Says:

    3840 data PID now active on Arise News (SD), can’t see that on the HD version but guess they are on their way soon-ish.

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  63. AndrewM Says:

    Either way, 4K will need considerably more bandwidth than HD. HD requires quite a bit of bandwidth so how can any channel afford or find the bandwidth for all three? I can’t see it myself.

    Actually it won’t necessarily need significantly more bandwidth than HD, because 4K broadcasting (whenever it arrives) will almost certainly use the new more efficient High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC aka H.265) codec, which gives you a bandwidth reduction of up to 50% versus H.264 encoded material.

    See Wikipedia for more info:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

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  64. AndrewM Says:

    That first 3 lines from my last comment should have been a quote; let’s try that again (sorry admin!)

    Al (Original) said
    Either way, 4K will need considerably more bandwidth than HD. HD requires quite a bit of bandwidth so how can any channel afford or find the bandwidth for all three? I can’t see it myself.

    Actually it won’t necessarily need significantly more bandwidth than HD, because 4K broadcasting (whenever it arrives) will almost certainly use the new more efficient High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC aka H.265) codec, which gives you a bandwidth reduction of up to 50% versus H.264 encoded material.

    See Wikipedia for more info:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

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  65. Al (Original) Says:

    AndrewM said:
    Either way, 4K will need considerably more bandwidth than HD. HD requires quite a bit of bandwidth so how can any channel afford or find the bandwidth for all three? I can’t see it myself.
    Actually it won’t necessarily need significantly more bandwidth than HD, because 4K broadcasting (whenever it arrives) will almost certainly use the new more efficient High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC aka H.265) codec, which gives you a bandwidth reduction of up to 50% versus H.264 encoded material.
    See Wikipedia for more info:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

    Well even if that happens and bandwidth is around the same size as for HD with no noticeable loss of quality (otherwise there’s no point compressing it) you’re still left with a situation where for every channel you are transmitting 1 SD version and 2 HD versions. So you’re still almost doubling the bandwidth requirement overall. You could drop HD and save more, but given the number of native HD receivers (most of the population now HD) and the fact that there will initially be very low numbers of 4K receivers out there and 4K programming, thus people and programmes that who could be downscale / be downscaled to HD, I can’t see how that could happen. I think it’s SD that’s logical to give up bandwidth.

    There also comes a point where older methods of transmission need to be removed. SD has been around since the 1950’s so around 60+ years. Its old tech that has had its day. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be supported via downscaling for those who still have SD sets, given there are still large numbers around, but when bandwidth and transmission money are both short, there comes a point where older formats need to be removed from native transmission. I expect around 2018-20, HD will need to go the same way and we’ll all be downscaling HD from 4K and SuperHiVis (8K) receivers.

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  66. Richard Crichton Says:

    I’ve got a feeling 4k won’t catch on for many years except for among the rich. Also how many people have a HD flat screen set but only watch in SD because their tuner isn’t freeview HD capable but they don’t care.

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  67. David Pugh Says:

    Hi Freesat can’t you put 4music on freesat or other music channels like MTV or Comedy Central? Can’t you put channels from sky or virgin?

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  68. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    I’ve got a feeling 4k won’t catch on for many years except for among the rich. Also how many people have a HD flat screen set but only watch in SD because their tuner isn’t freeview HD capable but they don’t care.

    No doubt Sky will push it, can’t see the masses taking it up though, most are happy with HD.

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  69. Dave Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi Freesat can’t you put 4music on freesat or other music channels like MTV or Comedy Central? Can’t you put channels from sky or virgin?

    Hi David
    I think 4 music is coming one day , don’t think MTV will , but hopefully we may get a few extra channels this year .
    I would like to see
    Quest-Sony tv-and uktv would be excellent but don’t think they like freesat :-(

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  70. Keith Says:

    Dave said: Hi David
    I think 4 music is coming one day , don’t think MTV will , but hopefully we may get a few extra channels this year .
    I would like to see
    Quest-Sony tv-and uktv would be excellent but don’t think they like freesat

    I asked Sony on their Facebook page a while ago why they are not on freesat and they said that they don’t have the FTA rights for most of there programming on the movie and entertainment channels. Whether they are telling the truth or not, I don’t know, but that is what they said. I have also heard that 4music is on the way. Only time will tell if the Sony situation will change.

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  71. Neil Says:

    Is Ahlulbayt TV joining the platform I wonder? The Data PID appears active, not sure if this is one left active or just been activated ahead of a freesat launch?

    @67 – David: 4Music will be on it’s way at some point in the future, Box/C4 seem to have reserved LCN 522 for it in the music section. As it shows C4 programmes with rights issues it’s still FTV until it can be moved to a spotbeam transponder or the one it’s on goes spotbeam with the arrival of Astra 2E or 2G.

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  72. David Pugh Says:

    Hi Freesat do you know when 4music is coming on freesat? Please be on Freesat +! We need more music channels on freesat!

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  73. Richard Crichton Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi Freesat do you know when 4music is coming on freesat? Please be on Freesat +! We need more music channels on freesat!

    Indeed we need more music channels but define music. There are over a dozen channels that make a row that I would not call music and not a lot of music channels.

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  74. Richard Crichton Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi Freesat can’t you put 4music on freesat or other music channels like MTV or Comedy Central? Can’t you put channels from sky or virgin?

    Freesat don’t put anything anywhere. It’s up to the channels to pay the epg fee.

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  75. Big Adam Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Indeed we need more music channels but define music. There are over a dozen channels that make a row that I would not call music and not a lot of music channels.

    Suggest you look/listen in the 700’s rather than the 500’s!
    : )

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  76. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said: No doubt Sky will push it, can’t see the masses taking it up though, most are happy with HD.

    Agree Sky will. Once. HD becomes standard Sky will need a new bandwagon to jump on (4K) as they will no longer be able to charge the £10.60 supliment for HD.

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  77. Al (Original) Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    I’ve got a feeling 4k won’t catch on for many years except for among the rich. Also how many people have a HD flat screen set but only watch in SD because their tuner isn’t freeview HD capable but they don’t care.

    Neil said: No doubt Sky will push it, can’t see the masses taking it up though, most are happy with HD.

    The same was said about HD when HD sets cost £6K.

    Fact is 4K won’t catch on until sets become cheap. Once they do, I think the uptake will be there just like it was for HD.

    4K has twice as many pixels as HD in TV 16:9 format and so should deliver a noticeably sharper picture as well as more detail.

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  78. admin Says:

    Al (Original) said:
    The same was said about HD when HD sets cost £6K.
    Fact is 4K won’t catch on until sets become cheap. Once they do, I think the uptake will be there just like it was for HD.
    4K has twice as many pixels as HD in TV 16:9 format and so should deliver a noticeably sharper picture as well as more detail.

    Have to agree there, it is all down to price. Bought a Sony W9 a couple of months back and will look to upgrade in a couple of years when they are more mainstream.

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  79. Neil Says:

    It’s going to take a long time for mainstream broadcasters to equip for UHD though, just like it did for current HD. Bandwidth costs will be a lot more so I’d expect Sky to charge more than they do now. Either way that will be at least 6yrs+ away.

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  80. David Pugh Says:

    Hi on the freesat + boxes, can’t you resize the picture for the box, magic and kerrang please? I want you to fill the screen and adjusting the picture. I hate to go to reciever settings then go to picture then adjust. I want freesat company to adjust it to fill the screen on tv.

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  81. Neil Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi on the freesat + boxes, can’t you resize the picture for the box, magic and kerrang please? I want you to fill the screen and adjusting the picture. I hate to go to reciever settings then go to picture then adjust. I want freesat company to adjust it to fill the screen on tv.

    David, that’s down to the broadcaster and nothing to do with freesat. They are broadcasting in 4:3 rather than widescreen 16:9 on those particular channels you mention. Go to the websites of those channels and complain if you want to try and get a decent response out of the provider (Box TV).

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  82. Richard Crichton Says:

    On my Manhattan you can use the mode button to auto zoom up the picture for those channels that are still living in the dark ages.Don’t they (Box TV) know that 4:3 tv’s went out of production yonks ago.

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  83. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    On my Manhattan you can use the mode button to auto zoom up the picture for those channels that are still living in the dark ages.Don’t they (Box TV) know that 4:3 tv’s went out of production yonks ago.

    I’m amazed all their channels aren’t played out in 16:9, especially Magic and The Box as they are must be the two most popular.

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  84. Al (Original) Says:

    Neil said:
    It’s going to take a long time for mainstream broadcasters to equip for UHD though, just like it did for current HD. Bandwidth costs will be a lot more so I’d expect Sky to charge more than they do now. Either way that will be at least 6yrs+ away.

    I’m taking 6 years is a guess on your behalf because 8K is scheduled for 2020 which only 7 years away! I can’t see them launching 8K 1 year after 4K takes off.

    4K sets will come down in price. It needs some programming to be the driving force for demand and I see Sky stepping in here.

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  85. Neil Says:

    Al (Original) said: I’m taking 6 years is a guess on your behalf because 8K is scheduled for 2020 which only 7 years away! I can’t see them launching 8K1 year after 4K takes off.
    4K sets will come down in price. It needs some programming to be the driving force for demand and I see Sky stepping in here.

    Al (Original) said: I’m taking 6 years is a guess on your behalf because 8K is scheduled for 2020 which only 7 years away! I can’t see them launching 8K1 year after 4K takes off.
    4K sets will come down in price. It needs some programming to be the driving force for demand and I see Sky stepping in here.

    I take your point, it depends on how many people Sky can convince to shell out a further few quid for UHD subscriptions I guess. Personally I don’t know why they just don’t wait and launch UHD as full 8k rather than have a 4k interim solution but guess means they can make more money selling one product and then selling another, be it pay broadcasters or hardware manufacturers.

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  86. David Pugh Says:

    Hi on the freesat + boxes, can’t you resize the picture for The Box and kerrang please? I want you to fill the screen and adjusting the picture. I hate to go to reciever settings then go to picture then adjust. I want freesat company to adjust it to fill the screen on tv.
    Can’t you do it automatic instead of 16:9 or 4:3?

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  87. Anthony Says:

    Neil said: I’m amazed all their channels aren’t played out in 16:9, especially Magic and The Box as they are must be the two most popular.

    Magic is now 16:9 widescreen, you sometimes see thin black bars on the left and right of the picture though on a few music videos stretched to 16:9, this is due to the multigeneration copying/editing using Beta SP for video effects application to the clips.

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  88. Neil Says:

    Anthony said: Magic is now 16:9 widescreen, you sometimes see thin black bars on the left and right of the picture though on a few music videos stretched to 16:9, this is due to the multigeneration copying/editing using Beta SP for video effects application to the clips.

    Indeed it is, when did that happen? I presume sometime between the 23rd and 29th as David Pugh’s last comment mentioning Magic being 4:3 has disappeared in his latest one above yours!

    The Box and Kerrang must be next for playout upgrade to 16:9.

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  89. David Pugh Says:

    Hi I want The Box and Kerrang to be 16:9 not 4:3 on freesat+ boxes. I want Box television to adjust these channels please.

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  90. David Pugh Says:

    When is 4music coming to freesat?

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  91. David Pugh Says:

    Hi I want The Box and Kerrang to be 16:9 not 4:3 on freesat+ boxes. I want Box television to adjust these channels please.
    When is 4music coming to freesat?

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  92. Neil Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi I want The Box and Kerrang to be 16:9 not 4:3 on freesat+ boxes. I want Box television to adjust these channels please.
    When is 4music coming to freesat?

    Mr Pugh… I have some good news for you. Box TV and Kerrang should be going 16:9 very shortly so, along with Magic will soon fill your screen.

    Not sure when 4Music is joining the platform, there’s a slot reserved for it but you’ll have to wait a while longer yet.

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  93. Al (Original) Says:

    Neil said:
    I take your point, it depends on how many people Sky can convince to shell out a further few quid for UHD subscriptions I guess. Personally I don’t know why they just don’t wait and launch UHD as full 8k rather than have a 4k interim solution but guess means they can make more money selling one product and then selling another, be it pay broadcasters or hardware manufacturers.

    I think part of the trouble Neil is bandwidth. 4K requires a lot more. 8K requires amounts that simply don’t exist atm. I think the point of 4K is partly to sell more tv’s etc and also partly to give them time to figure out how to deliver 8K content.

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  94. David Pugh Says:

    Hi when will The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 on freesat+? I want Bo Televison to adjust them now!

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  95. David Pugh Says:

    Hi when will The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 on freesat+? I want Box Televison to adjust them now!

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  96. admin Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi when will The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 on freesat+? I want Box Televison to adjust them now!

    David, you have asked this question about 10x in the past couple of days. Please can you avoid spamming the site and just look a few comments up as Neil kindly answered for you already.

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  97. David Pugh Says:

    Ok sorry that I keep asking you the same question 10x I won’t do it again!

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  98. David Pugh Says:

    I can’t help it I have special needs and autism I can’t understand what I am doing.

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  99. Rosco Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi when will The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 on freesat+? I want Box Televison to adjust them now!

    You obviously dont realise it is NOTHING to do with Freesat – complain to the channel operators – its solely their responsibility what comes out of their playout suites, and if the aspect ratios are wonky its their fault and no-one elses.

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  100. David Pugh Says:

    Hi The Box and Kerrang are 4:3 while Magic is filled the screen. Can’t you adjust The Box and Kerrang please as same as Magic please? I want Box television to adjust the size of these 2 channels. It hasn’t worked you promised yesterday that you told me good news that The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 as same as magic. I want them channels adjusting on freesat+ receivers please.

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  101. admin Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi The Box and Kerrang are 4:3 while Magic is filled the screen. Can’t you adjust The Box and Kerrang please as same as Magic please? I want Box television to adjust the size of these 2 channels. It hasn’t worked you promised yesterday that you told me good news that The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 as same as magic. I want them channels adjusting on freesat+ receivers please.

    He said shortly David, not 2 days later.

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  102. David Pugh Says:

    Hi The Box and Kerrang are 4:3 while Magic is filled the screen. Can’t you adjust The Box and Kerrang please as same as Magic please? I want Box television to adjust the size of these 2 channels. It hasn’t worked you promised yesterday that you told me good news that The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 as same as magic. I want them channels adjusting on freesat+ receivers please.

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  103. David Pugh Says:

    Hi have you made The Box and Kerrang the same size as magic?

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  104. David Pugh Says:

    Hi The Box and Kerrang are 4:3 while Magic is filled the screen. Can’t you adjust The Box and Kerrang please as same as Magic please? I want Box television to adjust the size of these 2 channels. It hasn’t worked you promised yesterday that you told me good news that The Box and Kerrang will be 16:9 as same as magic. I want them channels adjusting on freesat+ receivers please.Hi have you made The Box and Kerrang the same size as magic?

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  105. Al (Original) Says:

    @ David, in case you’re not aware how message boards usually work, then let me point out to you that you’re probably heading for a ban, most probably via IP which means registering a new name won’t help.

    I don’t know if you are genuinely autistic or not, but either way you need to be patient as Admin will bring you news on this as soon as he can.

    Impatience will only stop you using the site in the future.

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  106. admin Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi have you made The Box and Kerrang the same size as magic?

    David, please stop posting the same message, final request.

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  107. David Pugh Says:

    Hi can’t you make The Box and Kerrang the same size as Magic TV please? Adjust the size of these 2 channels same as Magic Tv. This is for Box television to adjust it on freesat +.

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  108. admin Says:

    David Pugh said:
    Hi can’t you make The Box and Kerrang the same size as Magic TV please? Adjust the size of these 2 channels same as Magic Tv. This is for Box television to adjust it on freesat +.

    Ok, game over David Pugh, now banned for acting in a very strange way!

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  109. Anthony Says:

    Magic is 16:9 widescreen;the others will at some stage David Pugh but you’ll have to wait for them to do so. It’s not Freesat that decides on the final transmitted format aspect ratio of the channels and it certainly isn’t the satellite providers SES-Astra or Eutelsat (which carry Freesat channels on the Sky/Freesat epg’s) that decide this. Also some broadcasters don’t have 16:9 capable studio/mobile cameras or 16:9 capable playout equipment and some don’t show 16:9 widescreen programmes hence 4:3 fullscreen only output live and recorded and/or 14:9 anamorphic widescreen output. The True channel portfolio, for example, is all 4:3 with anamorphic 14:9 commercial breaks.

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  110. MPD Says:

    It’s great to have extra HD channels and I warmly welcome them.

    My gripe is that the BBC seem to broadcast very little with 5.1 sound since the loss of BBC HD and ITV HD (Central region but receive London) broadcast none. Only 4HD are giving the full experience and even then not in every case.

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  111. Anthony Says:

    MPD said:
    It’s great to have extra HD channels and I warmly welcome them.
    My gripe is that the BBC seem to broadcast very little with 5.1 sound since the loss of BBC HD and ITV HD (Central region but receive London) broadcast none. Only 4HD are giving the full experience and even then not in every case.

    5.1 dolby digital surround sound should be the norm on films, dramas, live outside broadcasts, music concerts, music festivals, sports events like boxing football cricket baseball basketball etc, some studio shows like gameshows and talent shows for example (it would be impossible to do 5.1 surround on studio shows where front left and right stereo sound is mainly used i.e. no audience applause).

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  112. Neil Says:

    admin said: Ok, game over David Pugh, now banned for acting in a very strange way!

    He’ll be chuffed to know they are both now in widescreen!

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  113. admin Says:

    Neil said: He’ll be chuffed to know they are both now in widescreen!

    He will probably still ask though!!!

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  114. J Says:

    any sport channels being launched ? ie Eurosport and extreme sports

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