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Aug 06 2013

Channel 5's Demand 5 now available on free timeFreesat, the subscription free satellite TV service, has today announced the launch of Demand 5 on <free time>. This addition completes the full set of the UK’s top on-demand players on Freesat, joining 4oD, ITV Player and BBC iPlayer meaning that Freesat is now the only satellite TV provider with all full player apps.

Demand 5 offers Freesat viewers hundreds more hours of catch up and archive programmes from Channel 5, including the ability to turn back time and catch up in the <free time> backwards Electronic Programme Guide. At launch there will be more than 600 programmes available to Freesat viewers – highlights include the UK’s ‘Big Brother’, premium US series such as ‘The Walking Dead’,
popular kid’s programmes from milkshake! such as ‘Fireman Sam’ and some of the UK’s favourite soaps including ‘Neighbours’ and ‘Home and Away’.

Emma Scott, Freesat’s Managing Director commented:

Every week, more than four million viewers enjoy their favourite TV on Freesat. The launch of Demand 5 further bolsters the catch up TV set for Freesat <free time> viewers, joining BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, YouTube and the recently launched 4oD.

As the consumer appetite for video on demand grows, Freesat now offers viewer access to the four largest UK catch up TV players, which account for 80% of long form on-demand viewing today. We’re
delighted that Freesat viewers can now enjoy all their favourite catch up TV in one place, for free.

Paul Thornton-Jones, Channel 5′s Head of Digital Media, adds:

We’re very pleased to be adding Demand 5 to the Freesat <free time> service, further adding to the wide range of platforms and devices from which viewers can catch up on their favourite Channel 5 programmes and access a significant archive of our shows, including the ever popular milkshake! strand.

Freesat’s <free time> platform launched last Autumn, and brought new features to Freesat, including a backwards guide that lets viewers ‘turn back time’ to watch programmes that have already been on, a new Showcase section providing TV recommendations and enhanced on demand and recordings.

Freesat is growing the <free time> features’ set over time, including a remote record and remote control app for phones and tablets as well as the introduction of additional movie and music services.

75 Responses to “Channel 5′s Demand 5 now available on <free time>”

  1. al catraz Says:

    finally!

    well done, but it’s been a frustrating wait.

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  2. admin Says:

    …and just as Satbuyer announce the new price of £199.95 on the 500GB freetime box.

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  3. Dan Says:

    Great to finally have these all and get the questions out of the way. Hopefully they can focus on adding more channels again now, I’ll keep hoping for a sports one.

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  4. Pollensa1946 Says:

    Not all players are available in Scotland postcodes. No ITVPlayer or STVPlayer.. You continue to advertise what is patently not true.

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  5. Neil Says:

    Good to see all the PSB catch up services finally on-board.

    Admin: good new price on the Freetime STB, is the 1TB model still at the original price or also now lower?

    In other news: looks like the Holiday and Cruise channel is joining freesat at the end of August on LCN 409: http://www.holidayandcruisechannel.co.uk

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  6. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    Admin: good new price on the Freetime STB, is the 1TB model still at the original price or also now lower?

    1TB is at £229.95 which is a drop down from the original price which was at around £249/£259.

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  7. martynjy Says:

    As a Freesat viewer since launch with a Humax Foxsat HD box I am fed up of being continuously left out in the cold. So I can get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player but have to get a box to receive 4oD and Demand 5! I cannot afford to keep buying new boxes and I am now considering returning to Sky!

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  8. admin Says:

    martynjy said:
    As a Freesat viewer since launch with a Humax Foxsat HD box I am fed up of being continuously left out in the cold.So I can get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player but have to get abox to receive 4oD and Demand 5!I cannot afford to keep buying new boxes and I am now considering returning to Sky!

    Technology moves on, you’ve done well with a product since launch over 5 years ago. If you can’t afford to buy the latest box, how can you afford to spend more on Sky instead?!?!

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  9. Michael Says:

    martynjy said:
    As a Freesat viewer since launch with a Humax Foxsat HD box I am fed up of being continuously left out in the cold.So I can get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player but have to get abox to receive 4oD and Demand 5!I cannot afford to keep buying new boxes and I am now considering returning to Sky!

    That makes no sense at all. Your not willing to spend around under £200 for a Free Time box, but you’d be willing to to spend more on a years sub to sky.
    Each to their own I suppose.

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  10. Neil Says:

    martynjy said:
    As a Freesat viewer since launch with a Humax Foxsat HD box I am fed up of being continuously left out in the cold.So I can get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player but have to get abox to receive 4oD and Demand 5!I cannot afford to keep buying new boxes and I am now considering returning to Sky!

    Sky won’t give you owt for nowt every time they upgrade their technology, if they do you’ll pay through your nose per Month for it. I’m in the same position, 2x G1 Panasonic TV’s + a BS750 BD FS PVR, all totaling over £1500 back in 2009. I’ll never get ITV Player, 4OD or Demand 5 on any of them but fully understand that’s a limitation of the technology I bought at the time. If I want these future services I’ll have to buy a new STB but for me, 4seven offers enough catch-up available as a substitute to 4OD.

    It’s all about what something is capable of at the time it’s purchased. My mobile phone from, say, 2010 would never offer the features of the one I’ve just upgraded to but would never take the old one back to the retailer/network operator demanding it supports new technology!

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  11. Rosco Says:

    Pollensa1946 said:
    Not all players are available in Scotland postcodes.No ITVPlayer or STVPlayer..You continue to advertise what is patently not true.

    Try a Borders Scotland postcode – TD1 and you should get ITV Player as we are part of the ITV network not STV..

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  12. martynjy Says:

    admin said: Technology moves on, you’ve done well with a product since launch over 5 years ago. If you can’t afford to buy the latest box, how can you afford to spend more on Sky instead?!?!

    Because it’s swings and roundabouts. The reason I left Sky for Freesat was to try and save money. If I have to buy a new box at £150-£200 every 2/3 years to keep up then it makes Freesat less viable (which new technology will come along in that time requiring another new box?) .

    It’s not just Sky, there are packages available from various providers with a good selection of channels (all those I am interested in) plus record tv, plus on demand, plus unlimited broadband, plus calls for little more than what I am paying now for just broadband and calls! Also I can change provider (after 12-18 months) to get the latest box for free! Also If I don’t want to update the box I can get repairs or replacement box for free should it break!

    As I say all for little more than I am already paying out. I love Freesat but if it is cheaper long term to go subscription for the above reasons then there you go! EXAMPLE: With one package the difference extra over 3 years (£3 month extra) to what I am paying now for all the above benefits is £108 compared to buying a new Freesat box in 3 years time at £150-£200!

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  13. miffo Says:

    Well, I am a bit of a die hard Hummy fan. I have had three of their boxes over the years and would snap-up the next one no bother. Some people enjoy being on the cutting edge of technology… for that there is a premium, but it is oh so satisfying. Moaning about the cost of a box that goes the distance is a bit futile. It is deffo VFM!

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  14. martynjy Says:

    miffo said:
    Well,I am a bit of a die hard Hummy fan.I have had three of their boxes over the years and would snap-up the next one no bother.Some people enjoy being on the cutting edge of technology… for that there is a premium, but it is oh so satisfying.Moaning about the cost of a box that goes the distance is a bit futile.It is deffo VFM!

    You have missed the points.

    1/ I can get a latest box free by changing provider after contract term
    2/ I can change to subscription and it will cost me less (with latest box) over a 2/3 year period
    3/ It does not matter how long a box will physically last or how good the manufacturer and I have had Humax since day one (great) it is usually out dated before it breaks. Quality and VFM means nothing if you have to keep updating!

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  15. martynjy Says:

    Can someone please answer me why 4oD and Demand 5 cannot be made available on my Humax Foxsat HD box without the new ‘backwards tv guide’, ‘at a glance’ and ‘showcase’ when you can already get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player without all that?

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  16. admin Says:

    martynjy said:
    Can someone please answer me why 4oD and Demand 5 cannot be made available on my Humax Foxsat HDbox without the new ‘backwards tv guide’, ‘at a glance’ and ‘showcase’when you can already get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player without all that?

    They run off the html5 format to allow for a better system and quality which isn’t possible on the older generation boxes as they don’t have the processing power.

    Still think your Sky calculations are way off, but you have started to compare channel options etc, not just on-demand services.

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  17. Derek (Original) Says:

    I have to support martynjy as he makes a valid point. The premise of freesat was that apart from the initial outlay, it would be less costly in the long run than subscription TV, as there would be nothing more to pay.

    I have been with freesat since day 1, and currently have a Humax Foxsat HDR. If I were to buy a new freetime box just to receive these extra catch-up services, it would be my third upgrade driven box, so it is marginal as to whether over that time I have actually saved money compared to the nearest equivalent Sky subscription, which incidentally would have given me more channels and would now allow me to download catchup programs for viewing later.

    Surely freesat must recognise that it is destroying its own USP.

    In case freesat and the manufacturers of freesat boxes are not already aware, people like myself are not going to upgrade to a new box when their existing one is still working perfectly, for a marginal increase in capability. Specifying & building future proof boxes is the answer, but that isn’t good for business and would be rewarding loyalty which isn’t a line item in the specification ;-)

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  18. Terry Says:

    Derek (Original) said:
    I have to support martynjy as he makes a valid point. The premise of freesat was that apart from the initial outlay, it would be less costly in the long run than subscription TV, as there would be nothing more to pay.
    I have been with freesat since day 1, and currently have a Humax Foxsat HDR. If I were to buy a new freetime box just to receive these extra catch-up services, it would be my third upgrade driven box, so it is marginal as to whether over that time I have actually saved money compared to the nearest equivalent Sky subscription, which incidentally would have given me more channels and would now allow me to download catchup programs for viewing later.
    Surely freesat must recognise that it is destroying its own USP.
    In case freesat and the manufacturers of freesat boxes are not already aware, people like myself are not going to upgrade to a new box when their existing one is still working perfectly, for a marginal increase in capability. Specifying & building future proof boxes is the answer, but that isn’t good for business and would be rewarding loyalty which isn’t a line item in the specification

    Initial outlay gets you the broadcast channels.

    Everything else is gravy, and optional. If you want to pay for upgraded tech to get IP services, go for it. If you don’t, don’t whine and cary and stamp your feet.

    “It’s not fair! Someone brought out a Feesat box with integrated BluRay player! Why should I have to pay for it if I want it!? Freesat’s supposed to be free! They’re traitors to us all! Liars! Deceivers! Waaaa!”

    “Destroying their USP” my a***.

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  19. Saltydawg Says:

    Guys, GUYS! Are you really gonna die if you can’t get 4 OD and Demand Five? Give us a break PUHLEAZE!

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  20. Neil Says:

    martynjy said: Because it’s swings and roundabouts.The reason I left Sky for Freesat was to try and save money.If I have to buy a new box at £150-£200 every 2/3 years to keep up then it makes Freesat less viable (which new technology will come along in that time requiring another new box?) .
    It’s not just Sky, there are packages available from various providers with a good selection of channels (all those I am interested in) plus record tv, plus on demand, plus unlimited broadband, plus calls for little more than what I am paying now for just broadband and calls!Also I can change provider (after 12-18 months) to get the latest box for free!Also If I don’t want to update the box I can get repairs or replacement box for free should it break!
    As I say all for little more than I am already paying out.I love Freesat but if it is cheaper long term to go subscription for the above reasons then there you go!EXAMPLE:With one package the difference extra over 3 years (£3 month extra) to what I am paying now for all the above benefits is £108 compared to buying a new Freesat box in 3 years time at £150-£200!

    Sky basic tier subscription – £21.50/mth – £258.00 annually
    500GB Freetime PVR £199.00

    So, simply worked out, if you subscribe to Sky, you can actually buy 1.5 Freesat PVR’s per year for the cost of what your paying Sky. That’s before you start talking about phone lines and broadband.

    Aren’t you happy that your not funding Digger’s coffers! My other half keeps badgering me about wanting Sky when she moves in, told her I’m happy to by as many Freesat PVR’s but won’t shell out a penny to Murdoch out of principle as there’s just no value for money for what Sky offers (unless your a sports and movie fan, in which case you then have to spend a small fortune!).

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  21. Lee S Says:

    I got Sky full HD family bundle for 12 months half price £15 per month and sold my freetime box for £170 effectively paying my first years subs. I prefer catch up tv dowmloaded to my planner as even if my connection is slow I get no buffering even on HD content.

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  22. Robert H Says:

    admin said: Technology moves on, you’ve done well with a product since launch over 5 years ago. If you can’t afford to buy the latest box, how can you afford to spend more on Sky instead?!?!

    When I first got my Humax Foxsat HDR box I am positive that they were advertised as Future proof , its the same old story.

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  23. admin Says:

    Robert H said: When I first got my Humax Foxsat HDR box I am positive that they were advertised as Future proof , its the same old story.

    Absolutely nothing is future-proof!

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  24. Derek (Original) Says:

    admin said: Absolutely nothing is future-proof!

    Not if you define future as the next 5 years (for example)

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  25. Ian Vallender Says:

    Admin why is there only 1 price for which I assume is a 500GB model of the free time boxes where is the price for the 1tb hdr1000 and hdr1010 models?

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  26. admin Says:

    Ian Vallender said:
    Admin why is there only 1 price for which I assume is a 500GB model of the free time boxes where is the price for the 1tb hdr1000 and hdr1010 models?

    One price? You mean my mention above? Just mentioned that one specifically because it hits an attractive price point for the cheapest freetime receiver. The 1TB 1000 is £229.95 but the prices on the white version still seem very expensive everywhere.

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  27. Pollensa1946 Says:

    Rosco said: Try a Borders Scotland postcode – TD1 and you should get ITV Player as we are part of the ITV network not STV..

    I realise that any Borders or English postcode would give me ITVPlayer, but I also want the local region pgms on 103, just as advertised by Freesat (and not delivered).

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  28. Richard Crichton Says:

    I am sticking to my G1 Manhattan Plaza non pvr boxes for now as they do what I want and work well.
    Got 7 free on demand players on my YouView Pvr (and 1 pay player) for that side of things but don’t use them a great deal. Never use the pay player. Despite the filters recently introduced to the YV EPG (including
    HD filter) I still prefer the Freesat EPG colours and style although introducing a HD category once the 5 BBC channels are HD would be preferred..
    It worries me that there is only Humax Freetime and I don’t see them for sale in my local supermarkets due to the price.

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  29. martynjy Says:

    martynjy said:
    Can someone please answer me why 4oD and Demand 5 cannot be made available on my Humax Foxsat HDbox without the new ‘backwards tv guide’, ‘at a glance’ and ‘showcase’when you can already get BBC iPlayer and ITV Player without all that?

    Thank you Admin for the explanation.

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  30. martynjy Says:

    Derek (Original) said:
    I have to support martynjy as he makes a valid point. The premise of freesat was that apart from the initial outlay, it would be less costly in the long run than subscription TV, as there would be nothing more to pay.
    I have been with freesat since day 1, and currently have a Humax Foxsat HDR. If I were to buy a new freetime box just to receive these extra catch-up services, it would be my third upgrade driven box, so it is marginal as to whether over that time I have actually saved money compared to the nearest equivalent Sky subscription, which incidentally would have given me more channels and would now allow me to download catchup programs for viewing later.
    Surely freesat must recognise that it is destroying its own USP.
    In case freesat and the manufacturers of freesat boxes are not already aware, people like myself are not going to upgrade to a new box when their existing one is still working perfectly, for a marginal increase in capability. Specifying & building future proof boxes is the answer, but that isn’t good for business and would be rewarding loyalty which isn’t a line item in the specification

    Thank you. At least there is one person who understands my argument.

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  31. martynjy Says:

    Terry said: Initial outlay gets you the broadcast channels.
    Everything else is gravy, and optional. If you want to pay for upgraded tech to get IP services, go for it. If you don’t, don’t whine and cary and stamp your feet.
    “It’s not fair! Someone brought out a Feesat box with integrated BluRay player! Why should I have to pay for it if I want it!? Freesat’s supposed to be free! They’re traitors to us all! Liars! Deceivers! Waaaa!”
    “Destroying their USP” my a***.

    Don’t be so impolite. Remember ‘future proof’ ?

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  32. martynjy Says:

    Saltydawg said:
    Guys, GUYS! Are you really gonna die if you can’t get 4 OD and Demand Five? Give us a break PUHLEAZE!

    Thank you for your opinion.

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  33. IanP Says:

    If you don’t want to upgrade G1 equipment to but would like Demand 5 you could get a NowTV box for under £10 with a month of free Sky movies (no contract required). I got one partly for Demand 5 (and hope they will add 4OD too and maybe a better itv player). It also adds a bunch of other online services that are not on (no YouTube yet though).

    It’s good to finally see Demand 5 join Freesat and complete the line-up of PSB catch-up services as it adds considerably to the credibility of the platform.

    I wonder if NowTV have any intentions of joining I don’t know if their are any technical issues that would prevent or complicate it.

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  34. admin Says:

    martynjy said: Thank you.At least there is one person who understands my argument.

    With respect, you are discussing this on a freesat site where many will have moved over from Sky to save money, so opinions are likely to differ from your own. Good luck what ever you decide to do.

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  35. IanP Says:

    Sorry for repeating the above post but I placed free time in chevrons and it got treated as mark-up and removed.

    If you don’t want to upgrade G1 equipment to Free Time but would like Demand 5 you could get a NowTV box for under £10 with a month of free Sky movies (no contract required). I got one partly for Demand 5 (and hope they will add 4OD too and maybe a better itv player). It also adds a bunch of other online services that are not on Free Time (no YouTube yet though).

    It’s good to finally see Demand 5 join Freesat Free Time and complete the line-up of PSB catch-up services as it adds considerably to the credibility of the platform.

    I wonder if NowTV have any intentions of joining Free Time I don’t know if their are any technical issues that would prevent or complicate it.

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  36. martynjy Says:

    Neil said: Sky basic tier subscription – £21.50/mth – £258.00 annually
    500GB Freetime PVR £199.00
    So, simply worked out, if you subscribe to Sky, you can actually buy 1.5 Freesat PVR’s per year for the cost of what your paying Sky. That’s before you start talking about phone lines and broadband.
    Aren’t you happy that your not funding Digger’s coffers! My other half keeps badgering me about wanting Sky when she moves in, told her I’m happy to by as many Freesat PVR’s but won’t shell out a penny to Murdoch out of principle as there’s just no value for money for what Sky offers (unless your a sports and movie fan, in which case you then have to spend a small fortune!).

    I said it is not just Sky but various providers. That includes one provider ( I won’t mention the name) offering for example:

    Fibre optic broadband
    Free Installation
    500 GB TiVo Box
    TV Anytime
    6 HD channels
    Unlimited weekend calls
    100 channels

    That is just an example.

    £3 month extra on top of what I already pay out plus free latest box, plus free repairs or replacement. Also if your Freesat box breaks you have to pay for repairs or buy a replacement. If you have the money to spare then your OK. Compare £108 extra over 3 years to £150-£200 for a new Freesat box every say 3 years.

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  37. martynjy Says:

    admin said: With respect, you are discussing this on a freesat site where many will have moved over from Sky to save money, so opinions are likely to differ from your own. Good luck what ever you decide to do.

    Agree

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  38. martynjy Says:

    martynjy said: Agree

    But are you not open to discussion? Yes opinions will differ!

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  39. Michael Says:

    martynjy said:
    .Also if your Freesat box breaks you have to pay for repairs or buy a replacement.

    You do also for Sky too, but if you sign up for their Sky Protect plan(which is with Domestic & General) then it’s 12 monthly payments of £8.25 or a one off cost of £99 providing the box falls into certain criteria.

    As for the box Humax offers you a 2 year warranty.

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  40. Michael Says:

    Michael said: You do also for Sky too, but if you sign up for their Sky Protect plan(which is with Domestic & General) then it’s 12 monthly payments of £8.25 or a one off cost of £99 providing the box falls into certain criteria.
    As for thebox Humax offers you a 2 year warranty.

    Actually looking through the Sky Protect Ts&Cs it looks as if the £99 one off cost is just for 12 months and is renewable annually.

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  41. Michael Says:

    Oops just noticed my above post, that was meant to say as for the free time box Humax offers a 2 year warranty.

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  42. Smike Says:

    Lots of valid points already made.

    IMHO Freesat offered a compelling deal on launch.
    The service was comprehensive and the equipment performed well and was priced fairly. Five years on however, there is a lot more competition for subscribers, and some of the alternatives can – depending on your viewing habits – stack up well against Freesat.
    To ensure that Freesat market share does not decline, the Sponsors need to think about their original promise of future proofing, and plan their hardware & software to accommodate this rather better than they have so far.
    The extra cost is not great, and the savings to the Subscriber, and benefits to Freesats credibility, though not immediate, would be considerable in the medium term.

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  43. Derek (Original) Says:

    Michael said: You do also for Sky too, but if you sign up for their Sky Protect plan(which is with Domestic & General) then it’s 12 monthly payments of £8.25 or a one off cost of £99 providing the box falls into certain criteria.
    As for thebox Humax offers you a 2 year warranty.

    Not totally true. If you are in the 12 month contract period, a faulty box will be replaced free of charge. If you are outside of the contract period when your box fails, mentioning that you are considering ending your subscription will usually result in a replacement box being provided free of charge

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  44. Derek (Original) Says:

    Smike said:
    Lots of valid points already made.
    IMHO Freesat offered a compelling deal on launch.
    The service was comprehensive and the equipment performed well and was priced fairly. Five years on however, there is a lot more competition for subscribers, and some of the alternatives can – depending on your viewing habits – stack up well against Freesat.
    To ensure that Freesat market share does not decline, the Sponsors need to think about their original promise of future proofing, and plan their hardware & software to accommodate this rather better than they have so far.
    The extra cost is not great, and the savings to the Subscriber, and benefits to Freesats credibility, though not immediate, would be considerable in the medium term.

    My sentiments exactly.

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  45. Michael Says:

    Derek (Original) said: Not totally true. If you are in the 12 month contract period, a faulty box will be replaced free of charge. If you are outside of the contract period when your box fails, mentioning that you are considering ending your subscription will usually result in a replacement box being provided free of charge

    Yes that applies to the first 12 months which will be within the same term as the manufacturers warranty. http://www.skyprotect.com/pdf/sky-protect-terms.pdf

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  46. Al Catraz Says:

    excellent thread, guys.

    I can see the maths behind some of the points raised, but hey – you’re actually proposing that giving money to the Murdoch empire makes sense?

    hell hasn’t frozen over just yet…

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  47. Derek (Original) Says:

    Al Catraz said:
    excellent thread, guys.
    I can see the maths behind some of the points raised, but hey – you’re actually proposing that giving money to the Murdoch empire makes sense?
    hell hasn’t frozen over just yet…

    Hell no!!

    Just making freesat aware of what lack of foresight could lead to

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  48. admin Says:

    Derek (Original) said:
    Just making freesat aware of what lack of foresight could lead to

    I’m sure freesat would admit to mistakes made on the first generation of receivers, but as a new company, they didn’t know of the technology shift that would be required to keep pace with the much better funded rivals. With the latest freetime boxes, the technology is ahead of the rest, so should offer a greater chance of longevity, but ultimately if there is another massive shift, these would be outdated just like other platforms models.

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  49. Rich Says:

    I’m not exactly holding a grudge with Freesat over the fact only the new box does 4OD and Demand5, but I can see people’s point.

    If they could deliver iPlayer and ITV player onto the HDR, surely they could just repeat the same again for 4OD and Demand5. Yes yes HTML blah blah MHEG etc but putting the *channels* requirements to one side, the consumer just sees that iPlayer and ITV Player work perfectly fine on their box, so why don’t they get the other bits. And I’d sort of agree with that. However not enough to say I’ll never upgrade, or that I’ll go back to Sky, or that Freesat are being sods about it.

    I’m waiting for the Freetime box to drop a little further then might treat myself. But for now the HDR is a wicked bit of kit, and with all the custom firmware on it to stream the content all over the house and whatnot (and I don’t believe the Freetime box has been “hacked” like that yet?) there’s still life in the old dog.

    I’d never go back to Sly though. Had the HDR for a few years now; and so I reckon that’s £20 (that’s roughly what I was paying I think for basic Sky) * 36 months = £720 I would have spent on Sly. HDR cost £2- 300 … so I’m £420 probably more in the black :)

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  50. martynjy Says:

    Al Catraz said:
    excellent thread, guys.
    I can see the maths behind some of the points raised, but hey – you’re actually proposing that giving money to the Murdoch empire makes sense?
    hell hasn’t frozen over just yet…

    Again it is just NOT Sky. There are other providers!

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  51. Derek (Original) Says:

    admin said: I’m sure freesat would admit to mistakes made on the first generation of receivers, but as a new company, they didn’t know of the technology shift that would be required to keep pace with the much better funded rivals. With the latest freetime boxes, the technology is ahead of the rest, so should offer a greater chance of longevity, but ultimately if there is another massive shift, these would be outdated just like other platforms models.

    Is that the sound of a party line being toed I can hear ;-) freesat may have been a new company but with access to the BBC (and ITV) research departments, awareness of future (next 5 years) technology shifts should not have been an issue. Call me a cynic, but built in obsolescence always has been and always will be a consideration for technology manufacturers to secure their future.

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  52. martynjy Says:

    admin said: I’m sure freesat would admit to mistakes made on the first generation of receivers, but as a new company, they didn’t know of the technology shift that would be required to keep pace with the much better funded rivals. With the latest freetime boxes, the technology is ahead of the rest, so should offer a greater chance of longevity, but ultimately if there is another massive shift, these would be outdated just like other platforms models.

    Manufactures know years in advance of upcoming
    technology. That is how they develop it! So were does ‘future proof’ come in ? What does it actually mean to the silly person like me who forked out £150 which was quite a lot of money in them days? It is OK for people with money to spare but some of us do not.

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  53. Michael Says:

    martynjy said: Manufactures know years in advance of upcoming
    technology. That is how they develop it! So were does ‘future proof’ come in ? What does it actually mean to the silly person like me who forked out £150 which was quite a lot of money in them days?It is OK for people with money to spare but some of us do not.

    Then that’s something you’d need to take up with the manufacturers then. As you say, they must of known what was expected before production but were unwilling to add functionality to their products.

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  54. NetworkFour Says:

    …slightly off topic, I know, but GOOD to see Demand 5 on Freetime. When I bought my first Freesat box I just wanted to watch TV for free, and to be honest that’s all I still want to do. I never expected other services, so I’m very pleased that I can now have about twice as many free channels than Freeview, and all the extras (and to me they are extras) like Demand 5 too!
    …it would appear a happy Freesat customer is in the minority on this forum sometimes!

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  55. admin Says:

    Well indeed, they knew what technology would suit their product for 5 years, but that time has now passed and they’ve needed to launch a new product to keep up, simple as that really. This isn’t freesat specific, but the same across the entire electronics industry.

    I’ve let this run semi off-topic, so back to conversations about Demand 5 now please. Those that don’t feel freesat offers good value for money have plenty of other options, albeit expensive ones!

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  56. Steve Says:

    Brown goods mostly get changed on a yearly run. I think Freesat have looked after their customers well by bringing out the freetime gen 2. People need to think when buying into the platform that they get over 150 channels and high def for free and no contracts or subscriptions. and depending on models they can get on demand. I’m more than sure the likes of sky bt talk-talk and virgin would like some of Freesat ‘s ever growing base, I’m sure that the future will bring many things but just like computers and apple products they need changing which will cost.
    So like many I purchased a white freetime box and loving it. I know that Humax will change only when the product needs changing not every year like the rest out there. A sky or virgin box can’t read your nas drive … Bring on more demand channels like Dave yesterday etc

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  57. Steve Says:

    So for the future of ondemand see link below for 130 demand channels coming soon to freeview http://wp.me/pk161-7GO

    Question is will they go onto Freesat?

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  58. admin Says:

    It’s the way the entire industry is heading…just a shame that broadband speeds for many can’t keep pace!

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  59. Al Catraz Says:

    Rich said: But for now the HDR is a wicked bit of kit, and with all the custom firmware on it to stream the content all over the house and whatnot (and I don’t believe the Freetime box has been “hacked” like that yet?)

    Now that’s a feature I’d like to see on the freetime box! box envy works both ways! ;)

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  60. Michael Says:

    Slightly off topic, but 1.00.59 is ready to download which fixes the ‘Loading’ issue on YouTube.

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  61. mikeypop Says:

    I had a Grundig Feesat HD PVR for a few years – it lost support (despite being left with bugs) when Grundig (or whoever they were owned by) pulled the plug on their STB business, so it didn’t get fixes or other new features (such as ITV Player) that the better supported Humax G1 boxes got. Did it bother me? Not one bit – it still performed the same functions that it did on the day I bought it – watched Freesat channels (some in HD) and offered PVR functionality.

    I got a freetime box just after launch for £200 when Comet went bust (the same price they seem to be now at various places), partly funded by £80 I got from a mate for the Grundig (which he is still using and very happy with). I don’t think there is a better value TV deal out there, and it’s not fair to compare it to “deals” you get with free boxes on new pay-tv contracts.

    All this talk of “future proof” is absurd – does your box still receive Freesat channels and the EPG? Does it still record? On that basis it is Future Proof because it still works despite enhancements to the service. Freesat have added new features that require new technology to access, but the core functions (free SD/HD Satellite channels, EPG access) are still available to all, whether on a G1 or G2 box.

    A 5 year old mobile phone will not receive the latest software updates, but it can still make calls and send texts. An “HD-Ready” TV won’t be able to display a full 4K picture, but it will still work as a TV. A “N” class router can’t be upgraded to “AC” class, but it still creates a Wireless network. Technology marches on, just because your old device doesn’t have all the bells and whistles, doesn’t mean it is obsolete if it still does the job you bought it to do initially.

    Freesat have a lot to answer for on delays to some services and seemingly being behind the competition (Youview) in terms of features, but they are slowly getting there. Until the day they flip the switch to block G1 boxes accessing the service (something I would wager won’t ever happen) then your box is fit for the purpose you bought it for and Freesat owe you nothing. If you want the extra features you need to upgrade or go elsewhere, it’s that simple.

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  62. al catraz Says:

    well said Mikeypop.

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  63. Rosco Says:

    According to news on the BizAsia site Hindi entertainment channel Colors is going fta in September. Must be a candidate for FS.

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  64. Matthew Says:

    Colors is still behind a paywall on Virgin Media, as part of their £12 per month Asian Channel package.

    Best to wait and see.

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  65. Scott Says:

    Really do think they should have developed freesat boxes using Linux software. I find it funny that sky boxes software just upgrades to do these extras, not really many problems with development either.
    I’ve given up on freesat, as the catch up service development so slow, and keeps requiring new equipment. Would love to see it combined with BT vision app or somthing like that and IPTV channel streaming in future for those that want extras like sports etc.. but for now, am using my youview box with a small sub an get all the players, and streaming sports, so cheaper than having to get new boxes, already had to replace the grundig one.
    Would have been good if they could have combined these services for DTTV and DSAT in one box, would resolve regional issues, and the UKTV channel encryption s on sat

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  66. martynjy Says:

    NetworkFour said:
    …slightly off topic, I know, but GOOD to see Demand 5 on Freetime. When I bought my first Freesat box I just wanted to watch TV for free, and to be honest that’s all I still want to do. I never expected other services, so I’m very pleased that I can now have about twice as many free channels than Freeview, and all the extras (and to me they are extras) like Demand 5 too!
    …it would appear a happy Freesat customer is in the minority on this forum sometimes!

    Good points. But I was taken in by ‘future proof’

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  67. mikeypop Says:

    I think Freesat learned a lot from the G1 boxes in terms of the complexity of keeping multiple manufacturers on board with updates and bug fixes etc, which is why Freetime so far has been reserved to a single manufacturer and is based on more open and (hopefully) “future proof” technologies.

    That means that the rate of development has been slow though, because essentially the software updates so far have mostly been about fixing bugs from the rushed-to-market firmware rather than adding features. Hopefully now that can change and we’ll see more new and useful features added.

    I think they have got the right strategy, and am happy to see that they have delivered all the promised features now (if a lot later than initially suggested)…so I am a happy freesater…I just hope they don’t stop here and that there are more features to come (a remote record App being the main one!).

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  68. Rosco Says:

    Matthew said:
    Colors is still behind a paywall on Virgin Media, as part of their £12 per month Asian Channel package.
    Best to wait and see.

    BizAsia have broken numerous stories over the years about channels changing levels of encryption and they have always been on the ball. If they say Colors are going fta in September then they have a very good idea thats what is going to happen – lets hope they are right.

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  69. martynjy Says:

    mikeypop said:
    I think Freesat learned a lot from the G1 boxes in terms of the complexity of keeping multiple manufacturers on board with updates and bug fixes etc, which is why Freetime so far has been reserved to a single manufacturer and is based on more open and (hopefully) “future proof” technologies.
    That means that the rate of development has been slow though, because essentially the software updates so far have mostly been about fixing bugs from the rushed-to-market firmware rather than adding features. Hopefully now that can change and we’ll see more new and useful features added.
    I think they have got the right strategy, and am happy to see that they have delivered all the promised features now (if a lot later than initially suggested)…so I am a happy freesatmmI just hope they don’t stop here and that there are more features to come (a remote record App being the main one!).

    Too late for me! I forked out for ‘future proof’ once and there is a saying once bitten twice shy. That is my current feelings about Freesat! and there box manufacturers.

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  70. admin Says:

    martynjy said: Too late for me!I forked out for ‘future proof’ once and there is a saying once bitten twice shy. That is my current feelings about Freesat! and there box manufacturers.

    I did want this topic to move on, but despite how you feel (which you are entitled too), there is no such a product that is ‘future-proof’.

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  71. martynjy Says:

    How the hell did BizAsia get on this thread.

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  72. Rosco Says:

    Why not? They were reporting on a channel probably going fta.

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  73. Michael Says:

    martynjy said: Too late for me!I forked out for ‘future proof’ once and there is a saying once bitten twice shy. That is my current feelings about Freesat! and there box manufacturers.

    When did Freesat or the manufacturers ever advertise the boxes as being future proof?

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  74. Robert H Says:

    Michael said: When did Freesat or the manufacturers ever advertise the boxes as being future proof?

    Thank YOU Michael.

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  75. John Nash Says:

    Dear Readers,
    My first observation in this forum!
    Why is it that TalkTalk do not offer your ‘FreeTime’ in parallel to their current arrangements of vigorously marketing
    ‘YouView’. Is it a question of Freesat not offering commercial incentives to secure a deal with TalkTalk? Cannot Humax being part of an integrated deal? I have a vested interest in this possibility as my reception via the terrestial aerial suffers from frequent drop out! My only cost effective solution was to install my own satdish for Freesat reception. This I did successfully and now enjoy the benefits, interference free!
    I look forward to your reply.
    Jonnie squareyes

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