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Apr 03 2012

Freesat to offer BBC’s 24 HD Olympic ChannelsFreesat will carry all of the BBC’s 24 live HD Olympic channels throughout the London 2012 Olympics, offering the full range of live BBC Olympics coverage, bringing every Olympic sport from every Olympic venue.

In addition to the 24 temporary BBC HD Olympics channels listed in the Freesat TV Guide, Freesat viewers will also be able to access the live ‘streams’ via the BBC Red Button service. Freesat’s customers with standard definition boxes will also be able to see all of the 24 BBC Olympics channels in standard definition.

Managing Director of Freesat, Emma Scott welcomed the non-exclusive agreement with the BBC, saying:

We’re totally delighted to be able to offer Freesat viewers these great BBC HD services. It is going to be an amazing summer of sport and the London 2012 Olympics in HD will truly be a sight to behold. This is the latest great example of the quality and choice in TV programmes available to Freesat customers, all subscription-free.

112 Responses to “Freesat to offer BBC’s 24 HD Olympic Channels”

  1. Rajiv Says:

    Fantastic news. I e-mailed you guys earlier when Sky announced their deal whether Freesat were going to take the channels but it appears that a deal was close to being announced.

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  2. Dave Says:

    Great news having just bought a new Samsung Freesat TV.
    I’ll be real interested to see how well this all comes together…

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  3. Peter Says:

    I’m curious where they’ve found the space for 24 HD channels and what will happen to that space once the Olympics are over…

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  4. scott Says:

    great news i look forward to watching some great sport brilliant that its in hd too all we need now is some new channels coming as it has been quiet lately.

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  5. Paul. Says:

    Peter said:
    I’m curious where they’ve found the space for 24 HD channels and what will happen to that space once the Olympics are over…

    Astra 1N, I would imagine, as there probably isn’t a requirement for the channels to be on a narrow beam as A) Olymipcs are FTA in every European country, and B) the channels are behind the Red Button.

    Bandwidth requirements are probably not as high as they might at first seem, as all 24 streams will rarely all be in use at the same time – for example, the Arena venue isn’t used for a few days after the opening ceremony, football runs for a couple of hours and it’s back to a slide until the next match some hours later.

    The BBC will be renting the transponders in the short term. After the Olympics the transponders will be used as and when SES Astra lease them out to other broadcasters.

    Paul.

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  6. admin Says:

    Paul. said: Astra 1N, I would imagine, as there probably isn’t a requirement for the channels to be on a narrow beam as A) Olymipcs are FTA in every European country, and B) the channels are behind the Red Button

    From what I understand, they will be assigned channels, not just red button services, to allow you to record them etc, so presumably 1N space!?!?!

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  7. Richard Crichton Says:

    What the BBC call HD is not what I think of as High Definition. Will they be using their usual stunted resolution and bitrates for these so called HD channels? Also what are people not interested in sport supposed to watch for their licence money when the olympics are on if they don’t like watching commercial tv?

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  8. Richard Crichton Says:

    scott said:
    great news i look forward to watching some great sport brilliant that its in hd too all we need now is some new channels coming as it has been quiet lately.

    They can’t fill the existing channels judging by the number of repeats that are on. What we need is new programming on the existing channels.

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  9. Paul. Says:

    admin said: From what I understand, they will be assigned channels, not just red button services, to allow you to record them etc, so presumably 1N space!?!?!

    Yes, looks like I missed the middle part of the first sentence here:

    Using these brand new red button services and via the standard EPG platform listings, viewers will be able to switch seamlessly between 24 SD or HD channels. Pressing red on any BBC TV channel will enable audiences to find and watch the events they like, when they like, through simple five button navigation (up, down, left, right, OK). The channels on each red button service will only show the Olympics sports as they are taking place, as well as highlighting what is coming up later.

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  10. Conor Says:

    I think bbc could get bbc ni in hd when the olimpics end on that space and all bbc regions in hd also that would be a better than giving it up and ulster tv hd also on the freesat epg

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  11. Phil of Wales in the North I am. Says:

    @10 Conor…
    I agree there mate, BBC Wales HD and other regions would be nice instead of HD being London based..
    Still it will be great to see the games in HD. Hope the Beeb give us the same PQ as the royal wedding…

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  12. Richard Crichton Says:

    They should be exclusive to Freesat unless Sky and Virgin are paying for them but I fear the BBC is using our money to pay Sky to carry them :-( .
    BTW what happened to the BBC’s platform neutral policy as I am assuming they won’t be on Freeview which is good news for Freesat or am I wrong about that.

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  13. Neil Says:

    I saw this press release by Sky this morning and thought initially that the beeb may have done some cosy deal with them which I’d be writing straight away to the BBC Trust to complain if they did, very glad to see Freesat is carrying them and faith that the BBC is supporting its own platform.

    Space-wise there’s loads of (ex ‘C’ band Ku) spectrum currently unused which the BBC can utilise on an ad-hoc basis with SES for a couple of weeks.

    Now then, if Freesat are reading this take note:
    This really is another opportunity to allow yourselves to shine brightly and one great marketing opportunity – every bit of Olympics coverage in HD and FTA. The opportunity of a good, clear marketing campaign for this is something you simply can’t miss out on! “The great summer of sport in 2012 – The Euro Championships and Olympics, all in HD and subscription free on Freesat”.

    You can bet your bottom dollar Sky are going to market this as they, as a platform, will be in a much weaker position than everything FTA during the Olympics and as such can’t market any form of exclusivity.

    Good news if you want my opinion, regardless of whether it’s in full HD or ‘HD lite’ as some like to call it !!

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  14. Saltydawg Says:

    I agree with Neil, please don’t resurrect that crappy spaceship commercial as nobody gets it!!

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  15. SL Says:

    Great news, especially them being on the EPG which will mean they will be watched more as people can see whats going to be on.

    It wont be on freeview as all the bandwidth is wasted on +1, shopping and slapper channels.

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  16. Rich Says:

    Yes, the ad campaign was a bit crap … didn’t really clearly outline the benefits of freesat, spent far too long being weird. The American talking rubbish and blown out into space, errr …

    Great news about the channels. Some miserable folk (Chrichton) should be thankful the licence fee pays for such things; we could not have it, pay for all this stuff, and get ads to book (Sky, cough). I for one, though I won’t be chained to the tellybox over the Olympics, am looking forward to some HD coverage of the events. Well done BBC.

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  17. monkeymanic Says:

    Yet we could not get all ten F1 races live, so who’s got the brown ankles at the Beeb then, not realy interested in the Olympics myself. Any way Freesat should take full avantage from this by promoting the platform.

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  18. Russ Says:

    Good news, however with 24 HD channels showing coverage from the olympics it’s such a shame there is not more than the one event available in 3D. With so many extra HD channels available surely this would have been an ideal opportunity to showcase this new technology.

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  19. Neil Says:

    Russ said:
    Good news, however with 24 HD channels showing coverage from the olympics it’s such a shame there is not more than the one event available in 3D. With so many extra HD channels available surely this would have been an ideal opportunity to showcase this new technology.

    Perhaps this brings out the realities that 3D isn’t being grasped in the home as TV manufacturers and certain broadcasters (Sky) had hoped, simply in the ambition to sell a few more products and services to people.

    HD is now becoming the norm and more and more broadcasters, once having used Sky to assist with start-up costs will come on board. I just hope, as mentioned, that Freesat use this opportunity to create some really good targeted marketing. The BBC should promote the platform in it’s Olympic literature too as it is a FTA subscription free way of viewing these services which Freeview can’t offer, Sky and VM both being subscription and plc’s.

    Quite a news day media-wise today! First we hear about this and then Murdoch Jnr ups sticks and puts down his Sky Chairmanship crown!!

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  20. stingeyal Says:

    Well im sure some will be pleased with this announcement , could be a good advertising for FS if done right ( straightforward 30 secs info , no stupid spaceship )

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  21. Trevor Harris Says:

    @Richard Crichton

    Actually according to the BBC Sky is covering the distribution costs for the 24 channels. Hopefully this will mean that they will be in full 1920×1080 HD as opposed to the BBC so called HD channels. For Freeview viewers they will be available on iplayer. An extra 6 multiplexes will be available of freeview some time after switchover but even this is not enough to carry 24 HD channels and 24 SD channels.

    I think this move by Sky has been made to put them in a good place for the next Olympics. The BBC has already said that they will not be able to carry the next Olympics on thier own. I suspect Sky would very much like to take part.

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  22. Neil Says:

    I

    stingeyal said:
    Well im sure some will be pleased with this announcement , could be a good advertising for FS if done right( straightforward 30 secs info , no stupid spaceship )

    Yep. In 30 sec they need some straightforward facts, the Freeview ads convey this very well and clearly, Freesat need to take a leaf from this.

    Trevor: The BBC wouldn’t go to these lengths for other Olympics, it’s only as they are host broadcaster combined with it being a UK event that there’s so much ‘buzz’ around these games here in the UK. Beijing in 2008 didn’t have the same number of streams or same level of coverage on the BBC’s linear TV channels (certainly not devoting BBC One and BBC Three full-time). I’d hope we can keep Sky out of all crown jewel events (Euro and World Cup footy + Athletics & Olympics).

    It’s funny they can provide all this for free to different platforms but won’t pay £36,000/yr to get Sky News on Freesat – sour grapes there!

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  23. scoobie Says:

    This is another very clever sports deal from Sky. This is the bigest sports event of the decade, but Sky didn’t have any advantage – or any rights- over free to air BBC (ignoring Eurosport). Now Sky can say get satellite, get 24 channels of free HD coverage.

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  24. Neil Says:

    scoobie said:
    This is another very clever sports deal from Sky.This is the bigest sports event of the decade, but Sky didn’t have any advantage – or any rights- over free to air BBC (ignoring Eurosport). Now Sky can say get satellite, get 24 channels of free HD coverage.

    Very true, they’ve bought their own shared non-exclusive rights however it will also benefit Freesat immensely providing the in-store and TV marketing clearly shows these services are all available without subscription on the platform (as well as Sky). I wonder if the BBC have put any conditions on Sky in terms of how they market this as they can’t make out it’s an exclusive deal as it isn’t!

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  25. Nick Green Says:

    I agree with the Monkeymaniac. The BBC can somehow find multi millions for the Olympics. I will not watch any of it and I would suggest that there are millions just like me. The victim was Formula 1. Shame on you BBC!

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  26. admin Says:

    Not that keen on the Olympics either, but might as well watch some of it; after all, all of us outside of London have paid for it and will see no other return!!!

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  27. Russ Says:

    Neil said: Perhaps this brings out the realities that 3D isn’t being grasped in the home as TV manufacturers and certain broadcasters (Sky) had hoped, simply in the ambition to sell a few more products and services to people.
    HD is now becoming the norm and more and more broadcasters, once having used Sky to assist with start-up costs will come on board. I just hope, as mentioned, that Freesat use this opportunity to create some really good targeted marketing. The BBC should promote the platform in it’s Olympic literature too as it is a FTA subscription free way of viewing these services which Freeview can’t offer, Sky and VM both being subscription and plc’s.
    Quite a news day media-wise today! First we hear about this and then Murdoch Jnr ups sticks and puts down his Sky Chairmanship crown!!

    Chicken and egg springs to mind! There are many 3D TV,s on the market, and in fact both Panasonic & Samsung Freesat IDTV,s are 3D enabled, but I feel until there is some FTA 3D content available uptake will be slow. It is a similar situation to the early days of HD tv, plenty of sets in the shops, but little or no HD content available. I also think sales of HD tv’s were boosted by the prospect of DSO.

    A survey carried out at the Disney D23 Expo suggested of those who had seen 3D TV, 72% agreed that it was a better experience than watching 2D.

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  28. admin Says:

    I’ll be over the moon if 3D dies a dealth; if you want 3D, look away from the television ;)

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  29. MPD Says:

    Looks like Freesat will finally break the 200 channel mark, if only for a couple of weeks.

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  30. monkeymaniac Says:

    @26 Admin.

    I do a lot of photography, so guess what I will be doing over those two weeks covering the big O. Why do think there sticking the VAT up on every thing , from pasties to fuel and more to pay for the over budget on the games. Lets remember Australia are still paying for there over budget when it was held there. I live in Cornwall and every thing important or brings in good money stops at Devon I’m afraid. Anyway lets not go off the subject too much here.

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  31. Francis Says:

    I don’t think it will be the same in 3D as if you were watching it in the movie theatre, but great for all those who have a 3D TV,( as I canny afford wan the noo) Give us free 3D TV’s so we can all join in lol!!!

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  32. Richard Crichton Says:

    Nick Green said:
    I agree with the Monkeymaniac. The BBC can somehowfind multi millions for the Olympics. I will not watch any of it and I would suggest that there are millions just like me. The victim was Formula 1. Shame on you BBC!

    Nick Green said:
    I agree with the Monkeymaniac. The BBC can somehowfind multi millions for the Olympics. I will not watch any of it and I would suggest that there are millions just like me. The victim was Formula 1. Shame on you BBC!

    Nick Green said:
    I agree with the Monkeymaniac. The BBC can somehowfind multi millions for the Olympics. I will not watch any of it and I would suggest that there are millions just like me. The victim was Formula 1. Shame on you BBC!
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    I for one prefer the edited highlights if you can call a two hour (plus) program highlights. Just make sure you don't hear the result before you watch.The last race was stopped for 30 mins due to rain. The people who paid Sky to watch had to sit there while the BBC viewers just watched the racing. I know which I prefer and there is no way I would pay Sky £30 plus for the thrill of sitting there for 30 minutes while nothing is happening. Also the highlights are on at a more convenient time imho.

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  33. Richard Crichton Says:

    Sorry about the multi block quotes admin.

    My point is a F1 race is 2hrs max yet the so called highlights are at least that and sometimes more. Nice one BBC. Made BSkyB pay multi millions yet BBC still cover the racing and its better coverage.

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  34. Richard Crichton Says:

    Trevor Harris said:
    @Richard Crichton
    Actually according to the BBC Sky is covering the distribution costs for the 24 channels. Hopefully this will mean that they will be in full 1920×1080 HD as opposed to the BBC so called HD channels. For Freeview viewers they will be available on iplayer. An extra 6 multiplexes will be available of freeview some time after switchover but even this is not enough to carry 24 HD channels and 24 SD channels.
    I think this move by Sky has been made to put them in a good place for the next Olympics. The BBC has already said that they will not be able to carry the next Olympics on thier own. I suspect Sky would very much like to take part.

    Make Sky pay for all BBC output. They are a predatory profit driven outfit who deride the BBC and would like to charge you for breathing if they could :-) .
    Since the royal wedding and 3D tests were 1920×1080 the BBC might do the same for the Olympic coverage. Sky can do what they like but I won’t be paying them.

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  35. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Make Sky pay for all BBC output. They are a predatory profit driven outfit who deride the BBC and would like to charge you for breathing if they could .
    Since the royal weddingand 3D tests were 1920×1080 the BBC might do the same for the Olympic coverage. Sky can do what they like but I won’t be paying them.

    Well put there!

    I wasn’t sure the exact length of a Formula 1 race so you’ve answered that one for me! Also, I notice the BBC have had the best share of the races with Sky’s exclusivity being mainly on the overnight/early morning ones (UK time), therefore by the time you wake up on a Sunday you know who’s won and the highlights are a few hours away. Are the highlights packages 1.5hrs or 2hrs or does this depend whether it’s a European or non-European race location?

    Sky have simply milked the whole F1 thing for marketing purposes, their current ads seem to be moving away from this now. No doubt they’ll try the same with these Olympic streams although if I see or hear the word ‘exclusive’ mentioned anywhere by them I’ll be complaining to the ASA.

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  36. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said:
    I’ll be over the moon if 3D dies a dealth; if you want 3D, look away from the television

    If you like looking daft and wearing silly glasses 3D is fine otherwise no thanks.
    Sky tried to push it so they could eventually charge people more like they do for so called HD.

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  37. Ian Parsons Says:

    If you don’t like looking daft wearing silly glasses a Toshiba 55ZL2 glasses-free 3D TV is fine (a snip at under £7000)

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  38. Ian Parsons Says:

    This news is an excelent opertunity for Freesat and its partner manufacturers to finally market it’s full potential compared to Freeview. I hope it is also a sign that the full line-up of BBC channels in HD isn’t too far off even if they can’t be accomodated by Freeview.

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  39. Dave P Says:

    I know that the BBC HD channels are tramsmitted in full HD, but could someone please tell me just how far off full HD the transmissions of BBC, ITV and Channel 4 really are?.
    Just out of interest, I test played the Blu ray version of one of the Harry Potter films against the ITV HD transmission of it the other month and there did not seem to be too much of a difference. That was on a Panasonic BS850 and equivalent 42 inch plasma. I was quite suprised how good the TV transmission looked against the Blu ray disc version.

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  40. Dave P Says:

    Sorry, meant to say BBC HD channels NOT transmitted in full HD (can’t spell either!!!)

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  41. Al Catraz Says:

    This would be good news if the BBC keep the olympics on these channels ONLY and don’t flood their mainstream channels with coverage as well.

    The touble is, they won’t do that because freeview can’t/won’t handle all these extra channels, so we’re doomed it being on all BBC channels regardless of whether we want to watch it or not.

    Perhaps they could squeeze in some extra non-olympic HD channels as well for us non-believers : how about BBC Films HD, BBC Wildlife HD, BBC Drama HD, or just BBC AnythingButTheFlippingOlymics HD….

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  42. Richard Crichton Says:

    Dave P said:
    I know that the BBC HD channels are tramsmitted in full HD, but could someone please tell me just how far off full HD the transmissions of BBC, ITV and Channel 4 really are?.
    Just out of interest, I test played the Blu ray version of one of the Harry Potter films against the ITV HD transmission of it the other month and there did not seem to be too much of a difference. That was on a Panasonic BS850 and equivalent 42 inch plasma. I was quite suprised how good the TV transmission looked against the Blu ray disc version.

    BBC use 1440×1080. Everyone else now uses 1920x 1080. That applies to Blu-ray as well though the sound can have 7.1 channels of DTS HD master audio as opposed to ITV’s rather pathetic 2 channel stereo so no contest.

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  43. Richard Crichton Says:

    Ian Parsons said:
    This news is an excelent opertunity for Freesat and its partner manufacturers to finally market it’s full potential compared to Freeview. I hope it is also a sign that the full line-up of BBC channels in HD isn’t too far off even if they can’t be accomodated by Freeview.

    Agreed. I hope BBC have finally seen the light but they are pleading poverty so don’t think they will this side of a general election.
    BBC have spent £22 million for the rights to “The Voice”. Money well spent or a waste of money?

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  44. Paul D Says:

    Really looking forward to the olympics now.

    I have just got a new 1080p 3D TV and I can’t wait to watch the olympics on it via freesat.

    I actually have pay TV via BT vision but my trusty goodmans freesat box that i paid £50 for in 2008 is still used every day. Freesat is the best free service to have now. There is talk of freeview releasing space for 10 HD channels but it can still never compete with freesats capacity or picture quality.

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  45. dave Says:

    HI WILL FREESAT BE GETTING ANYMORE CHANNELS FOR 2012
    come on freesat permanent channels

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  46. Paul D Says:

    What channels would you like to see Dave?

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  47. Neil Says:

    Paul D said:
    There is talk of freeview releasing space for 10 HD channels but it can still never compete with freesats capacity or picture quality.

    Where did you read this? If your referring to the 600MHz auction for more DTT spectrum that’s been kyboshed. Ofcom were caught with their pants down at the ITU WRC so it’s likely they’ll now flog off more spectrum to the mobile operators for LTE/4G!

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  48. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said: Where did you read this? If your referring to the 600MHz auction for more DTT spectrum that’s been kyboshed. Ofcom were caught with their pants down at the ITU WRC so it’s likely they’ll now flog off more spectrum to the mobile operators for LTE/4G!

    Perhaps that is why the BBC seem to be softening their platform neutral stance as they now know there will be no more space for more HD on Freeview.
    A Formula 1 race is 200 miles or 2hrs whichever comes first. Don’t know about the highlights time allocations just know that the first two races had 2hr(ish) highlight shows which were really good.
    Trevor Harris said “Actually according to the BBC Sky is covering the distribution costs for the 24 channels.”
    Does that also mean that BSKYB are not charging the Beeb for the 25 additional EPG listings or are they red button services?

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  49. Richard Crichton Says:

    dave said:
    HI WILL FREESAT BE GETTING ANYMORE CHANNELS FOR 2012
    come on freesat permanent channels

    I suspect so but you might need to invest in a Freesat G2 box to get them all as some will be streamed.
    BBC1 HD regional, BBC2 HD are a possibility also 5HD and another CH4 family HD channel perhaps.

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  50. Trevor Harris Says:

    @richard

    On sky they are proper channels and I understand it is all being paid for by Sky..

    7 extra Freeview frequencies will be available after switchover. I think they should be live 2013- 2016. Don’t expect too much from the BBC they don’t have the money.

    http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051875

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  51. Richard Crichton Says:

    Trevor Harris said:
    @richard
    On sky they are proper channels and I understand it is all being paid for by Sky..
    7 extra Freeview frequencies will be available after switchover. I think they should be live 2013- 2016. Don’t expect too much from the BBC they don’t have the money.
    http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051875

    Sorry Trevor but I think the situation has changed since that article was posted on the 17th August 2011. See Neils post # 47

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  52. Richard Crichton Says:

    Trevor see this link http://www.jfmg.co.uk/pages/news/whatsnew.htm#Consult2012

    You say the BBC don’t have the money but they had £22 million recently which they used to buy the format rights to “The Voice”. Seems they have the money for some things.

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  53. Andy Clayton Says:

    What annoyed me was when the Radio Times tweeted this news (and produced an article on their web site about it) they heavily promoted it by saying that Sky was carrying the channels. You only saw mention of Freesat if you read the detail of the article. I know that the Radio Times aren’t owned by the BBC anymore but that kind of pro-Sky reporting really winds me up.

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  54. Neil Says:

    Trevor: As Richard says, yep, those Ch31-37 UHF allocations could shortly be used to move channels currently at 49-60. Ofcom haven’t made any decisions yet but they’ve pulled the 600MHz planned auctions for the time being. The whole thing sounds like a complete mess to me, glad I invested in Freesat at DSO!

    Agree there Andy, I suspect they’ve been in Sky’s pockets to produce something which looks pro-Sky. I really do hope Freesat produce some good marketing ‘point of sale’ posters to retailers and also through on-line targeted ads get this across. Freesat’s making more inroads now in to brand awareness but there’s still loads of people who you say “satellite” and they instantly respond with “Sky”! They aren’t aware of what Freesat is and if they did would make a difference to Sky’s churn rates I’m sure!

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  55. JayW Says:

    Andy Clayton said:
    What annoyed me was when the Radio Times tweeted this news (and produced an article on their web site about it) they heavily promoted it by saying that Sky was carrying the channels. You only saw mention of Freesat if you read the detail of the article. I know that the Radio Times aren’t owned by the BBC anymore but that kind of pro-Sky reporting really winds me up.

    That (not now a BBC publication) is why I recently cancelled my Subscrption to the Radio Times after many years. When it was owned by the BBC, it had a more than third of its program pages relating only to SKY tansmitted programmes. I bet SKY did not pay for that substantial weekly advertising.
    It is now getting more pro-sky in it’s editorial content as well.

    As regards the Olympics, then I welcome the BBC 24 channel transmission although I hope they do not go down the road of showing two days of ‘practice’ before each race as F1 seems to do. There is no prime-time practice sessions for Football or any other sport. Why for F1

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  56. Mark S Says:

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  57. admin Says:

    Mark S said:
    Freesat have a new car https://twitter.com/#!/freesat_TV/status/187924279122341888/photo/1

    Don’t worry guys, I’ll make sure I give them some proper stick for it next week. If they have any references to the latest commercial, I’ll rip them off too ;)

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  58. Neil Says:

    Mark S said:
    Freesat have a new car https://twitter.com/#!/freesat_TV/status/187924279122341888/photo/1

    Well, I must say the “subscription free sport” bit is definitely a step in the right direction of where they should be going marketing-wise, nice one there Freesat ;)

    Admin: see if you can get any info on their plans for the next ads, understandably not that you will necessarily be able to publish on here but will be good to find out if you can get some info.

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  59. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    Admin: see if you can get any info on their plans for the next ads, understandably not that you will necessarily be able to publish on here but will be good to find out if you can get some info.

    I’ll not be seeing the right people next week, but will ask anyway!

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  60. Trevor Harris Says:

    I did not realise that the extra channels for Freeview had been put on hold. This is very bad news for Freeview as it could spell the the begining of the end of Freeview. I just cannot see Freeview surviving without more HD channels. HD is now standard on satellite.

    I don’t think the Radio Times is biased towards Sky. Sky has made the 48 extra channels possible because they are going to pay for it otherwise it would not have happend. Freesat came on board some time later.

    Sky is now the UK’s major broadcaster so I would expect the Radio Times to reflect that.

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  61. Neil Says:

    Trevor Harris said:
    I did not realise that the extra channels for Freeview had been put on hold. This is very bad news for Freeview as it could spell the the begining of the end of Freeview. I just cannot see Freeview surviving without more HD channels. HD is now standard on satellite.
    I don’t think the Radio Times is biased towards Sky. Sky has made the 48 extra channels possible because they are going to pay for it otherwise it would not have happend. Freesat came on board some time later.
    Sky is now the UK’s major broadcaster so I would expect the Radio Times to reflect that.

    Freeview’s just not got the bandwidth, after all HD on the platform full stop would have not happened if the BBC didn’t sacrifice one of their multiplexes for it. It will be the platform for the masses who want ‘plug and play TV’, those who want something a bit better and without subscription can go down the Freesat route. As soon as the first HD variant of a FTA channel appears on the platform which is still SD on DTT and DSAT then that already will give Freesat an advantage (Film4 springs to mind!).

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  62. Martin Says:

    Briliant news now there s no excuse to have more freesat channels after the Olympics coverage I don’t know what will happen after the Olympics are over who will own those free slots if the bbc retains them could they sell them on to other channels the epg I mean we could have a deal going so that dave yesterday quest could get them

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  63. Trevor Harris Says:

    @Martin

    The BBC do not own these slots. They are being provided and paid for by Sky. After the Olympics they will be switched off. The reason there are not more FTA HD channels is economics. Five HD is FTV but only on sky boxes. ITV 2,3 4 HD are subscription channels. The BBC is commited to only 2 HD channels for the forseeeable future.

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  64. Trevor Harris Says:

    Well well. Sky has just announced that Eurosport will be providing more than 100 hours of the Olympics in 3D. Quite a feather in Eurosports cap to out maneuver the BBC who are providing very little 3D coverage. The BBC certainly needs to re-examin thier stratergy.

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  65. Richard Crichton Says:

    So the self confessed E mail hackers Sky have paid for these 24 so called HD channels. They may be the UK’s major pay TV broadcaster but they are not the UK’s major broadcaster by any means. For one thing they have no terrestrial radio stations.
    The most popular channels on Sky are the FTA terrestrial channels eg BBC 1,2,3,4
    C Beebies, C BBC, News 24 etc. which they do not pay a penny for and they should. Sky are only popular because of their monopoly of certain football and other games. Without football they would be nowhere. Now they are trying to play F1 fans for mugs as well.

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  66. Neil Says:

    Trevor Harris said:
    Well well. Sky has just announced that Eurosport will be providing more than 100 hours of the Olympics in 3D. Quite a feather in Eurosports cap to out maneuver the BBC who are providing very little 3D coverage. The BBC certainly needs to re-examin thier stratergy.

    Sky are going to try and capitalise on anything that makes them stand out, the truth is, in my honest opinion, that 3D is a flop broadcasting-wise. Yes, it’s popular in cinemas and for some sporting events but for general broadcast people just aren’t interested. Manufacturers are veering more to Connected TV’s to sell new products than along 3D routes. The BBC shouldn’t waste money on things of benefit to very few, they’ve made some 3D commitments and I think given the current penetration levels this is about right.

    Richard Crichton said:
    So the self confessed E mail hackers Sky have paid for these 24 so called HD channels. They may be the UK’s major pay TV broadcaster but they are not the UK’s major broadcaster by any means. For one thing they have no terrestrial radio stations.
    The most popular channels on Sky are the FTA terrestrial channels eg BBC 1,2,3,4
    C Beebies, C BBC, News 24 etc. which they do not pay a penny forand they should. Sky are only popular because of their monopoly of certain football and other games. Without football they would be nowhere. Now they are trying to play F1 fans for mugs as well.

    Agree there Richard. Sky should be paying the main PSB’s for inclusion on their platform. I think this whole email hacking thing at Sky’s going to get interesting! It seems there’s something new against Uncle Rupert surfacing twice a week!!! Back to F1 and as a fan yourself, do you think the highlights package the BBC have is good as I’ve heard mixed reviews? I’m not big on the sport although will watch a race, what you’d call a casual viewer!! Admin might have a view as he’s also in to F1 although probably watches the non-BBC races on RTL at 19.2E!

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  67. Trevor Harris Says:

    @Richard Crichton

    I see you are a Sky fan then Richard. This is a little bit ironic as Freesat would not exist without Sky. Freesat is just an EPG for Sky’s free to air channels.

    There is a very good reason why Sky has no radio channels of its own. In 2008/9 the BBC spent an average of £1255 per hour on radio content. The average for a commercial station was £27 per hour. The BBC spent £9129 per hour on Radio 4. Commercial stations cannot compete with the compulsary licence fee.

    As for Sky charging for access this is a legal condition of thier licence. Sky has to give access to PSBs so in return Sky is permitted to make a charge to cover thier costs. In fact the fees were reduced recently in exchage for Sky to access Iplayer content on anytime+.

    I was sorry to see the BBC renade on thier F1 contract as I would like to get someing for the licence fee I have to pay. I see that the BBC has also lost a whole load of other quality sports to channel 4. For me F1 on Sky won’t cost any more money and I get a better picture quality, surround sound and the practices in HD.

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  68. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    Admin might have a view as he’s also in to F1 although probably watches the non-BBC races on RTL at 19.2E!

    I’m a huge F1 fan but must confess to watching the first two live races on Sky Go (using a mates account, I would never pay Sky!). The coverage was actually been pretty good, but mainly because they have Crofty and Brundle doing the commentary which is much better than Coulthard and the other guy.

    I watched the highlight show of the first race on the BBC and whilst it was ok, it was still rushed and I felt little enjoyment for not watching every part of a race, even though the main bits were covered.

    I’m also not keen on how Jake (twitter) and the BBC are bigging up their coverage and the viewing figures this year, when really there are a lot of F1 fans out there which cannot afford to watch Sky and so are forced into watching highlights only. Comparing a highlights show from last year versus this year (which Jake did on twitter) is poor, because of course their viewing audience would be greater for a highlights show when they don’t have the whole race!

    I’m now stuck deciding what to do next weekend, as it will be live on both BBC and Sky; I might have to go with Sky just for the preferred commentary!

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  69. ian Says:

    Would be the crime of the century of the creator of a Freesat-supporting website went to Sky for one sport, all because of the commentators.
    Somewhat very odd………

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  70. Neil Says:

    Yep, next weekend’s race will be on both channels. Someone told me they thought the BBC highlights was a bit rushed but Richard thought it was quite good. I saw the last one and it looked good to me but I’m not a critical fan so not a good judge.

    I thought Sky Go was IP restricted to two devices/connections? I thought each device had to be registered to stop mass sharing?

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  71. admin Says:

    ian said:
    Would be the crime of the century of the creator of a Freesat-supporting website went to Sky for one sport, all because of the commentators.
    Somewhat very odd………

    Wouldn’t be a crime when it isn’t being paid for, and is the only sport I watch. Also, it isn’t just the commentary, it is the availability of the races live too, though obviously next week is available on both.

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  72. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    I thought Sky Go was IP restricted to two devices/connections? I thought each device had to be registered to stop mass sharing?

    Yep, two devices only, but my mate uses one device, I use the other. F1 is literally my only down time during a 7 day week so I’m sure you can all forgive me for wanting to watch full coverage regardless of the platform ;)

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  73. Neil Says:

    admin said: Yep, two devices only, but my mate uses one device, I use the other. F1 is literally my only down time during a 7 day week so I’m sure you can all forgive me for wanting to watch full coverage regardless of the platform

    Don’t worry, I forgive you, after all your not paying!!! That means you’ve got access to all the other stuff presumably? I wonder how many other people share devices with people? After all it’s in their T&C’s!

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  74. admin Says:

    Neil said: Don’t worry, I forgive you, after all your not paying!!! That means you’ve got access to all the other stuff presumably? I wonder how many other people share devices with people? After all it’s in their T&C’s!

    I think it gets all the channels my mate has (all of them) but not actually tried any, have no interest in anything but the F1 :)

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  75. Russ Says:

    On F1 sundays we do not have the radio or tv on until the highlights start on freesat. Not knowing the result, our enjoyment is not compromised too much. However I would still prefer to see every race live on the beeb.

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  76. Richard Crichton Says:

    Trevor Harris said:
    @Richard Crichton
    I see you are a Sky fan then Richard. This is a little bit ironic as Freesat would not exist without Sky. Freesat is just an EPG for Sky’s free to air channels.
    There is a very good reason why Sky has no radio channels of its own. In 2008/9 the BBC spent an average of £1255 per hour on radio content. The average for a commercial station was £27 per hour. The BBC spent £9129 per hour on Radio 4. Commercial stations cannot compete with the compulsary licence fee.
    As for Sky charging for access this is a legal condition of thier licence. Sky has to give access to PSBs so in return Sky is permitted to make a charge to cover thier costs. In fact the fees were reduced recently in exchage for Sky to access Iplayer content on anytime+.
    I was sorry to see the BBC renade on thier F1 contract as I would like toget someing for the licence fee I have to pay. I see that the BBC has also lost a whole load of other quality sports to channel 4. For me F1 on Sky won’t cost any more money and I get a better picture quality, surround sound and the practices in HD.

    So thanks to Governments past (allegedly) cosy relationship with the Dark Lord Sky have to charge the BBC but they don’t have to pay them for the programming. Something not fair about that IMHO. How do they live with themselves knowing that they sponge of the BBC for their most watched channels at the same time as deriding them?
    . Freeview exists without Sky’s help so why wouldn’t Freesat. The terrestrial channels would have created a satellite platform of their own by now if it wasn’t for Sky’s monopoly of pay sat.
    It’s the fact that BSkyB have a monopoly of pay sat largely thanks to government policy that bugs me. I paid a sub for ten years but got wise as I was mainly only watching the FTA/FTV channels. Still each to his own.

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  77. Richard Crichton Says:

    Russ said:
    On F1 sundays we do not have the radio or tv on until the highlights start on freesat. Not knowing the result, our enjoyment is not compromised too much. However I would still prefer to see every race live on the beeb.

    As would I but they needed £22 million to buy “The Voice” format. Not a good deal in my opinion but something had to give (again largely thanks to government policy) so Beeb chose their F1 coverage.

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  78. ian Says:

    Watching the F1 through RTL with 5Live commentary, does me more than fine. So long as i see the pictures live, HD or not, im a happy fella :)
    I admit i did have to use a SkyGo account while i was in Slovenia, through a proxy and some other things to con it, but i felt dirty lol

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  79. Al (Original) Says:

    Richard Crichton said: If you like looking daft and wearing silly glasses 3D is fine otherwise no thanks.
    Sky tried to push it so they could eventually charge people more like they do for so called HD.

    What a stupid thing to say.

    The only person who sees you wearing glasses is the person next to you who’s also wearing glasses.

    Also, modern glasses are comfortable (nothing like the old cardboard ones) and the modern 3D effect when done well, is also very impressive with the depth going back into the wall not out into the room.)

    I haven’t seen Avatar 3D myself, but some who have said it was fantastic on home cinema 3D.

    I can never understand the bias against 3D, it usually comes from those who haven’t tried a modern system or those who simply don’t like the idea of glasses, again often without trying them. Also, all 3D tv’s also output 2D so even if something is in 3D you can still watch it in 2D if you want to.

    I personally reckon some things on the Olympics will look fantastic in 3D namely track events where the track will stretch back into the wall and the swimming events for the same reason.

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  80. Kate Says:

    I like to add my voice to the previous comment.

    It is sad that people that any type of glasses is DAFT and SILLY.

    Does Richard Crichton also think it’s DAFT and SILLY to wear safety glasses?

    I wear spectacles everyday!

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  81. Kate Says:

    I think it’s great that Sky have financed these free channels.

    Without Sky there would have no chance of the BBC/Freesat being able to afford the transmission costs. The BBC’s original plan of IPTV only would have meant a much reduced audience.

    Well done Sky for supporting the broadcasting of Olympics to widest possible audience FTA.

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  82. Stevie b Says:

    admin said: I’ll not be seeing the right people next week, but will ask anyway!

    The Gadget Show Live then?? sure to tell the Award Winning Training Team. Who you are then.

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  83. Neil Says:

    Kate said:
    I think it’s great that Sky have financed these free channels.
    Without Sky there would have no chance of the BBC/Freesat being able to afford the transmission costs. The BBC’s original plan of IPTV only would have meant a much reduced audience.
    Well done Sky for supporting the broadcasting of Olympics to widest possible audience FTA.

    Hi Kate, it is good but there must be an ulterior motive in it for Sky marketing-wise otherwise they’d have not bothered, then again it could be to make PR gains out of it too? The cost of this for a 2wk period isn’t going to cost the earth so in reality is well within Sky’s budget. When you consider they spend close to £1billion alone on marketing (that’s nearly ITV’s whole programming budget) then it puts cost in to perspective.

    As for 3D, I was actually around at a friends last night and had a demo of his new 55″ Sony Bravia 3DTV. He’s got Sky and we had a quick look at the 3D channel, he told me that they don’t actually watch that much in 3D so I do wonder if it was worth it for the 3D element or just a novelty thing?

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  84. Richard Crichton Says:

    Kate said:
    I like to add my voice to the previous comment.
    It is sad that people that any type of glasses is DAFT and SILLY.
    Does Richard Crichton also think it’s DAFT and SILLY to wear safety glasses?
    I wear spectacles everyday!

    I didn’t say that. You have to wear safety glasses for obvious reasons but you don’t have to buy a 3D tv knowing you will have to wear glasses to watch it.
    I wear glasses everyday but they are for reading not trying to trick my brain into thinking something on a flat tv screen is in 3D. I find wearing glasses uncomfortable and annoying and am only too pleased to take them off so I would not consider wearing 3D glasses to watch tv.

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  85. Richard Crichton Says:

    ian said:
    Watching the F1 through RTL with 5Live commentary, does me more than fine. So long as i see the pictures live, HD or not, im a happy fella
    I admit i did have to use a SkyGo account while i was in Slovenia, through a proxy and some other things to con it, but i felt dirty lol

    I’m looking forward to the Chinese GP next Sunday live on BBC1 HD with commentary from David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan. Does anyone know what other F1 races are live on the BBC this year?

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  86. Karra Says:

    Richard Crichton said: I’m looking forward to the Chinese GP next Sunday live on BBC1 HD with commentary from David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan. Does anyone know what other F1 races are live on the BBC this year?

    China, Spain, Monaco, Europe, Britain, Belgium, Singapore, Korea, Abu Dhabi, Brazil

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  87. Russ Says:

    @ Richard Crichton post 84,

    On the subject of trying to trick your brain, my wife does that every day when see slaps her make-up on.

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  88. Russ Says:

    sorry should read “when she slaps”

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  89. ian Says:

    Richard Crichton said: I’m looking forward to the Chinese GP next Sunday live on BBC1 HD with commentary from David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan. Does anyone know what other F1 races are live on the BBC this year?

    I agree, it will be nice to see it in HD (Lite) but still, not a major issue for me.
    The killer is James Allen, just…ewwww!!

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  90. ian Says:

    Russ said:
    @ Richard Crichton post 84,
    On the subject of trying to trick your brain, my wife does that every day when see slaps her make-up on.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!..

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  91. Al (Original) Says:

    Richard Crichton said: I didn’t say that. You have to wear safety glasses for obvious reasons but you don’t have to buy a 3D tv knowing you will have to wear glasses to watch it.
    I wear glasses everyday but they are for reading not trying to trick my brain into thinking something on a flat tv screen is in 3D. I find wearing glasses uncomfortable and annoying and am only too pleased to take them off so I would not consider wearing 3D glasses to watch tv.

    Richard non glasses based systems don’t work well atm from what I’ve heard. In fact I doubt personally they ever will because they require you to sit in precisely a sweet spot that is the subject of the lenticular lenses on the front of the tv. Outside of the sweet spot, you don’t see the 3D properly.

    As for glasses tricking your brain. They’re not tricking your brain, what they are doing is feeding separate images to the left and right eye to ensure you see them as you would if you were there an not just watching a flat screen. 3D glasses systems work in exactly the same way as your own eyes do – each eye sees the scene from a slightly different perspective and then the brain assembles the 2 images into a 3D image.

    The reason why tv’s need to feed the image to each eye separately is because you’re not actually there to see the scene in 3D. You’re in you living room looking at a flat picture and so what your eyes naturally see is a flat picture. To enable your eyes to see the film’s content in 3D, it has to be shot using 2 cameras that provide the same perspective as your eyes and then each perspective has to be fed to each eye separately for your brain to assemble the 3D image jut as it would if you were there. That takes a filter system to ensure that each eye gets each eye’s perspective and not the other eyes, and thats where the glasses come in. The only difference between different types of glasses systems, is the method they use to separate out each eyes perspective. Some use alternative frames to each each (shutter), others differing polarisations for each eye (polarising as in the cinema), some colour filtration (old red and green) and then glasses free tv’s which use microscopic lenses built into the screen to deliver separate images to each eye.

    Unfortunately atm glasses based systems seem to work best.

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  92. Jon Says:

    Admin – Any idea when our questions to Emma Scott will be answered? They were sent to her on 26th Jan, almost three months ago. Did you send over a thousand questions? Or can she not find 20 minutes in the day to converse with her customers?

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  93. admin Says:

    Jon said:
    Admin – Any idea when our questions to Emma Scott will be answered?They were sent to her on 26th Jan, almost three months ago.Did you send over a thousand questions? Or can she not find 20 minutes in the day to converse with her customers?

    I sent over 28 questions and had hoped for answers by now. All I can do is keep chasing. Sorry for the delays.

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  94. digiwatcher Says:

    Admin – Would it not be an idea to have a seperate ‘general’ comments feed section to enable readers to post comments that fall out of the allocated topic section. Whenever new news items are posted, the conversation usually drifts off onto old topics or questions/thoughts. This would also assist those wanting general advice etc

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  95. admin Says:

    digiwatcher said:
    Admin – Would it not be an idea to have a seperate ‘general’ comments feed section to enable readers to post comments that fall out of the allocated topic section.Whenever new news items are posted, the conversation usually drifts off onto old topics or questions/thoughts.This would also assist those wanting general advice etc

    It is being considered for inclusion; but don’t want the site to become a full on forum as moderating it would be a nightmare.

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  96. digiwatcher Says:

    admin said: It is being considered for inclusion; but don’t want the site to become a full on forum as moderating it would be a nightmare.

    Totally understand – even once a month a general topics might help, just a thought but thanks

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  97. admin Says:

    digiwatcher said: Totally understand – even once a month a general topics might help, just a thought but thanks

    It is planned, and will come at some point soon. Don’t particular want specific news stories to go off course, but it at least keeps the pages fresh and unique which is key for search engine exposure…as quite a few sites copy my news word for word.

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  98. ian Says:

    You could always appoint a few admin’s that would help you to moderate it if you were to create a little forum where we could chat and talk about things and not take each new story off topic.
    Just an idea of course..

    On the Emma Scott questions, i get the distinct feeling she stalling for some reason, perhaps as it would mean revealing something she can’t do just yet?!
    Either way, she could be polite and give you a time-frame and a half decent reason why she is going slower than snails run!!

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  99. Simon Taylor Says:

    The Olympics is boring! And a complete waste of money.

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  100. ian Says:

    Why Simon?

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  101. Neil Says:

    ian said:
    You could always appoint a few admin’s that would help you to moderate it if you were to create a little forum where we could chat and talk about things and not take each new story off topic.
    Just an idea of course..
    On the Emma Scott questions, i get the distinct feeling she stalling for some reason, perhaps as it would mean revealing something she can’t do just yet?!
    Either way, she could be polite and give you a time-frame and a half decent reason why she is going slower than snails run!!

    Maybe? She seems pretty reasonable though from the previous Q&A so guess she will get back to us.

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  102. Neil Says:

    Just checked the DTG’s page and it appears Humax have an OTA software update due on the 11th as their current firmware transmission ends on Wed.

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  103. scott Says:

    heres a good question why is it that when there was no space channels wanted to launch but complained theres no space now there is alot more space thanks to astra no channels have been launching just wondered.

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  104. Neil Says:

    scott said:
    heres a good question why is it that when there was no space channels wanted to launch but complained theres no space now there is alot more space thanks to astra no channels have been launching just wondered.

    We’ve had a few, eg the 5*/5US services, since 1N, also there’s more ITV regionality and C4HD. The fact we had C4HD prior to 1N was only a stop-gap solution using a widebeam transponder and would never have been a solution if 1N wasn’t pending.

    There will be more services joining, keep watching this space!

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  105. ian Says:

    People need to be a little more patient as good things come to those who wait.
    Channels/broadcasters going FTA is not something that can just, happen over night, it takes time, contracts have to run their course and agreements have to be put into place.

    I was talking to a friends father today, and he asked me what you get on Freesat as he was sick of, and i quote here “having the p*** taken out me” by Sky and the constant rising cost for things, so i told him, but he was then asking me why Sky1, Dave, Alibi and so on were not on the Freesat channel list, i again, explained to him, but he jut assumed that because you use a dish to receive, they should be available to everyone and couldn’t get it into his head that they won’t be coming to Freesat, most likely (The Sky channels never) not a good while yet.
    But as i explained to him, you get a good mix of channels, you dont have to pay a corrupt slime-balls’ company every month and you save dosh.
    He was happier when i told him you can get Dave on Freeview :)

    Emma, if you are reading, hope you have something juicy to reveal with the time you are taking :)

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  106. Richard Crichton Says:

    ian said: I agree, it will be nice to see it in HD (Lite) but still, not a major issue for me.
    The killer is James Allen, just…ewwww!!

    I agree he’s not very good but David Coulthard usually sets him straight. How about listening to the 5 live sound feed as some people who watch the RTL picture do.
    Thanks to Al (Origional)and Karra for the info. Nice one Russ :-)

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  107. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said:
    Just checked the DTG’s page and it appears Humax have an OTA software update due on the 11th as their current firmware transmission ends on Wed.

    Nice to see Manhattan have not needed to update their (user friendly) software yet. Looks like they got it right first time.Expecting an update for ITV Player sometime.

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  108. scott Says:

    thanks neil and ian for reply i agree good things come to those who wait and they also say no news is good news. ian tell your friends father hes more better of with freesat its a lot better and its true you dont get problems like you do with sky and you dont get charged for recording or need a phone line.

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  109. ian Says:

    Richard Crichton said: I agree he’s not very good but David Coulthard usually sets him straight. How about listening to the 5 live sound feed as some people who watch the RTL picture do.
    Thanks to Al (Origional)and Karra for the info. Nice one Russ

    James Allen is on 5Live, i have that on when watching via RTL.
    I still cant stand him, thats why when BBC TV is brodcasting it, im happy :)

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  110. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Nice to see Manhattan have not needed to update their (user friendly) software yet. Looks like they got it right first time.Expecting an update for ITV Player sometime.

    Yep, looks like it, I’m looking forward to seeing their PVR once it comes out. If it’s like the HDS should be nice and slick plus flexible too on firmware in terms of adding freesat and non-freesat channels.

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  111. Al (Original) Says:

    @ Richard Criton #106. No problem and apologies if my glasses comment came across slightly harsh, dangers of posting on the internet.

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  112. munc Says:

    Why, why, why???

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