P.S. I do beleive the BBC & ITV knew the process long before they introduced their service so why sign on the dotted line?

I have got very frustrated over certain aspects of Freeview, my Goodmans HD box…..but….it’s early days…..

Lets all forget Sky….that’s why we have Freesat…..imagine they don’t exist….all of us be patient….smile and before we know it…..we have a PVR….more channels….and upgraded boxes………

Let’s all chill….and put our minds to more serious things like rising food and fuel prices…and falling house prices……..come to think of it….carry on this thread (only joking)

If you think SES Astra – or anyone else – is going to turn round and tell Sky to completely rearrange the architecture of their systems, when they’re not doing anything wrong, then you really are tremendously naive.

There is absolutely no information to suggest that Sky aren’t complying with Freesat’s request to allow their information to be added to the streams before uplinking. Not one single bit.

Sky has said they will make changes in batches – most likely one adaptation hub at a time. Is that really so unreasonable?

It only becomes unreasonable if they’re deliberately doing it much more slowly than possible. There is no evidence anywhere here that they are.

if you take freesatfrom sky then sky have a platform to alow pay tv and take money off you, they donot want to know people who dont subcribe and this can be proved when they say things like you need a new card, pay up, sky really donot care what is good for the consumer, it believes they know best and tell you what you are going to watch, look at the agreesive advertising campaign since the freesat launch all for sky+ which in turn equals subcripions, sky protecting there inferstructure please they are a customer of SES ASTRA, plewase donot even try and tell me that sky own them because they donot, SES could inturn actually force sky to comply to freesat request because it in SES ASTRA’s interest to have as many dishes pointing toward there satellites, sky may uplink some content, wow for them there not the only ones doing it, sky has brainwashed the consumer and they should be made to publically announce this as wrong and misleading like the bbc or itv would have to, if they mislead the public with a program they are publically thrown to the dogs, sky are parasites on the satellite world, they bully compeditors out of the market, iu have even read that they have hacked other systems to ensure compeditors fail. they even now want to change the freeview standard on compression and take freeview subscription services off topup tv in the hope the ofcom will let them run the picnic service. believe me when i say sky are only interested in taking out the opposition and forcing you all to pay them for tv services, and if you disagree then you either are brainwashed by the hype or you have no interest in future developments, you really have got to realise if there is competition then technology and enhanced services with get better and better because that what happens when you are competing, iplayer will be a good starting point for freesat, althou isp’s will have to pull there finger out and get the infracture for iptv properly instead of over selling bandwith all the time. HD tv will have a chance to grow under freesat because the public will in time demand hdtv as the norm, we have been sold hdtv’s for years now and lets face it we are all asking for hd content for this and that. broadcasters will invest and give us more because HD will be more accessable for everyone. and not just upscaled rubbish sky pump out claiming HD content, they are lying to you all about that.