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Feb 21 2012

Panasonic drop Freesat+ recorders' channelIt shouldn’t really come as any surprise but Panasonic have today announced they have dropped the Freesat+ recorders from their new range of products due to launch in March.

The reason being poor sales on the recorder side of their business, though it is expected they will continue to offer televisions with Freesat built-in (models tbc).

The existing range of Panasonic Freesat+ recorders (DMR-BS880, DMR-BS780) have always been solid units, but never really sold well with such high price tags and blu-ray built-in; which didn’t seem that popular a combination. In addition, many feared that Panasonics lack of support for previous models would mean customers would be left without important interactive/on-demand services.

As Freesat move towards the G2 spec, with a much tighter set of technical conditions, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that some manufacturers haven’t signed new contracts, but for those that have, they are sure to be offering some stunning receivers in the coming months with plenty of extras to encourage customers to Freesat as a forward-thinking platform. We’ll bring you some of those features as soon as we have approval!

In similar news, TechniSat have ceased distribution of the HDFS Freesat HD zapper, which we believe (unofficially) is part of their plan to leave the UK electronics market completely.

119 Responses to “Panasonic drop Freesat+ recorders”

  1. Elo Laugesen Says:

    will never buy a Panasonic Product again. they did not come thru with the upgrade to support BBC Iplayer as they had promised and advertised.

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  2. Two Pen'orth Says:

    Ditto.

    I have been a staunch Panasonic buyer for many, many years but I will never buy again.

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  3. martin Says:

    not surprised the recorder s not selling well to get a freesat recorder you need to get an engineer out to change lnb pluse put two cables not worth the money at present

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  4. Jon Says:

    Have any companies (besides Humax) confirmed they are producing G2 boxes?

    Cheers

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  5. admin Says:

    Jon said:
    Have any companies (besides Humax) confirmed they are producing G2 boxes?
    Cheers

    Yes, Sagemcom and Manhattan.

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  6. Al (Original) Says:

    martin said:
    not surprised the recorder s not selling well to get a freesatrecorder you need to getan engineer out to change lnbpluse put two cables not worth the money at present

    Just the same as any other recorder service including Sky which also needs two cables in case you never noticed.

    Also, never heard of DIY? Changing an LNB is two screws and surely you can run a length of cable.

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  7. Lee S Says:

    Shame about Technisat, although, despite the great reviews for the HDFS, there was not enough brand awareness in the UK. Along with the lack of support within the UK and the fact that they are producing new receivers using their own standard for internet / on demand content, its no surprise really.

    My HDFS has been great apart from the epg problem, still I’m on board with team ‘Manhattan’ from now on ;)

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  8. Deek the Geek Says:

    Panasonic are in the doldrums like a lot of us, and I have bought Panasonic because of their goods products in the past; but if they haven’t got what I want, then I have to go to the next best. I feel I have no allegiance to them, but will not go out to boycott them. Criticise them all you want, they have to go where their markets are: that’s life these days.

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  9. Richard Crichton Says:

    Al said,
    “Also, never heard of DIY? Changing an LNB is two screws and surely you can run a length of cable.”

    I’m getting an engineer out tomorrow to change my LNB to a quad as I don’t have a ladder to reach the dish also I don’t have a drill long enough to go through the house wall so it’s not as easy as you suggest. Price of LNB £4.75, price of ladder from B&Q £85.

    The reason Panasonic recorders failed to sell is because they were £250-£300 overpriced for what they did.

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  10. Richard Crichton Says:

    Lee S said:
    Shame about Technisat, although, despite the great reviews for the HDFS, there was not enough brand awareness in the UK. Along with the lack of support within the UK and the fact that they are producing new receivers using their own standard for internet / on demand content, its no surprise really.
    My HDFS has been great apart from the epg problem, still I’m on board with team ‘Manhattan’ from now on

    You are a wise man indeed.

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  11. Night Watchman Says:

    admin said: Yes, Sagemcom and Manhattan.

    And don’t forget Samsung have said they will issue a software upgrade to G2 for the SMT-S7800.

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  12. Richard Crichton Says:

    Night Watchman said: And don’t forget Samsung have said they will issue a software upgrade to G2 for the SMT-S7800.

    We have already established that it’s not possible for the SMT-S7800 to be upgraded to G2 with a software upgrade. Sorry to disappoint if you are the owner of one.

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  13. Richard Crichton Says:

    “We have already established that it’s not possible for the SMT-S7800 to be upgraded to G2 with a software upgrade. Sorry to disappoint if you are the owner of one.”
    http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/dixons-retail-launch-own-brand-freesat-hd-receiver
    See posts 42 to 50.

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  14. Martin Pugh Says:

    Sorry for being dim, but what is a G2 box please? How will they differ from the Humax Foxsat box I have now?

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  15. Eston Says:

    I avoided buying a Panasonic TV – with Freesat (and FV) built in – because of their stupid decision to include adverts in their EPG, taking up 1/3 of the screen.

    Panasonic are, despite producing some good quality products, not incapable of making poor decisions.

    Humax will love the decision, though.

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  16. Bob H Says:

    Eston said:
    Humax will love the decision, though.

    Pana are struggling lately, looking at their global financial warnings things are tough. So in that respect I feel for them.

    On the other hand it isn’t bad news for some.

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  17. Rozzo Says:

    Eston said:
    I avoided buying a Panasonic TV – with Freesat (and FV) built in – because of their stupid decision to include adverts in their EPG, taking up 1/3 of the screen.

    Only the freeview epg has the ads, the freesat epg is close to perfect.

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    Agree Panny had overpriced the recorders. Pity they never brought out the BST versions in 2011, if you look at the BWT’s then you see the menu operations are much swifter and the prices more realistic. BST’s might have gotten them a decent market share. G2 seems to be a moving target still.

    For me freesat was a solution for HD before dso came to our region this year and having invested in several products (Panny and Technisat) I hope these continue to serve well for several years yet. Thereafter would probably revert to freeview unless freesat has some genuine trumps to offer (like proper integration with other sat positions / services so you are not limited to 28.2E).

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  18. Keith Cobby Says:

    I have a Panasonic G20 and there are no adverts in my EPG!

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  19. Al (Original) Says:

    Richard Crichton
    The reason Panasonic recorders failed to sell is because they were £250-£300 overpriced for what they did.

    I agree with this entirely.

    Potentially good boxes but given the restrictions on HD recording, Blu Ray recorders were kind of pointless and expensive add ons.

    I think had the Panasonics been pure HD Freesat + boxes at a not dissimilar price to the Humax, they’d have flown off the shelves.

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  20. jezB Says:

    I am not surprised Panasonic had poor sales, for what are good products.

    Well overpriced, total fiasco for Iplayer updates, and pathetic cut and paste customer support.

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  21. ronnie baker Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    Al said,
    “Also, never heard of DIY? Changing an LNB is two screws and surely you can run a length of cable.”
    I’m getting an engineer out tomorrow to change my LNB to a quad as I don’t have a ladder to reach the dish also I don’t have a drill long enough to go through the house wall so it’s not as easy as you suggest. Price of LNB £4.75, price of ladder from B&Q £85.
    The reason Panasonic recorders failed to sell is because they were £250-£300 overpriced for what they did.

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  22. ronnie baker Says:

    Can you not just use a ‘splitter’ cost £1.50 cost of LONG drill £3.00 cable £2.00 all then needed is common sense. !!

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  23. Al (Original) Says:

    ronnie baker said:
    Can you not just use a ‘splitter’ cost £1.50 cost of LONG drill £3.00 cable £2.00 all then needed is common sense. !!

    You can’t split a satellite signal as the signal is two way – the receiver sends power back up the cable to the LNB and you then overpower the LNB with 2 power feeds if you split it. You can only split terrestrial.

    For satellite you need either a 2nd cable from another output on the LNB or a distribution switch.

    What Richard needs to do is borrow a ladder or invest in one, given that installation costs will be recurring as things wear out and need changing over time. I’m assuming here here’ physically fit enough to use the ladder. Obviously for pensioners or most disabled, an installer is the only safe option.

    The fact is there’s no alignment required for a simple LNB swop apart from a small twist to add the skew, makes it a very easy non technical thing to do. Running a cable is hardly technically challenging either provided you have some basic DIY skills.

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  24. Zub Says:

    I was an early adopter of the Panny 42PZ81 freesat plasma, I wasn’t fussed about the iplayer functionality. But they surely peeved off a lot of customers with empty promises and it’s now its come back to bite them. Even with the range of models 2010 onwards etc there is inconsistence in software for iplayer/itv player.

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  25. Richard Crichton Says:

    What Richard needs to do is borrow a ladder or invest in one, given that installation costs will be recurring as things wear out and need changing over time. I’m assuming here here’ physically fit enough to use the ladder. Obviously for pensioners or most disabled, an installer is the only safe option.
    The fact is there’s no alignment required for a simple LNB swop apart from a small twist to add the skew, makes it a very easy non technical thing to do. Running a cable is hardly technically challenging either provided you have some basic DIY skills.

    The dish has a dent on the top edge from a piece of concrete that fell on it during the 100mph plus wind storm we had (no jokes about beans please:-) )in January that caused extensive property damage in central Scotland so I am getting a used dish fitted (if required) and a realignment as well as a quad LNB. No problem running cables or anything else for that matter. I sold my ladder before I moved up here as I didn’t think I would need it but have been thinking of investing in another one lately.

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  26. Richard Crichton Says:

    “The fact is there’s no alignment required for a simple LNB swop apart from a small twist to add the skew, makes it a very easy non technical thing to do.”

    The $ky Mk4L LNB (£4.95 on line) already has the skew set along with a small spirit level that makes installation a doddle for $ky installers who get less than 30 mins for a new dish install (I’ve head).

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  27. Keith G Says:

    Two years ago John Lewis advised me to buy a Humax Freesat recorder and I am most grateful!

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  28. Jason Says:

    Does anyone know where I can buy a Panasonic DMR-BS880? The cheaper the better.

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  29. Martin Pugh Says:

    Martin Pugh said:
    Sorry for being dim, but what is a G2 box please?How will they differ from the Humax Foxsat box I have now?

    Does anyone have the answer please?

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  30. admin Says:

    Martin Pugh said: Does anyone have the answer please?

    Do a search for G2 at the top right of this site; there have been a few posts about it.

    In brief, it is so Freesat can tie down the contract agreement with the manufacturers so they can’t decide what they do and don’t want to support. It also includes a much better chipset and components allowing more features to be added that the existing receivers can’t; think mainly around interactive services.

    Unfortunately cannot say much more because the official information hasn’t been released yet.

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  31. Bob K Says:

    admin said: Do a search for G2 at the top right of this site; there have been a few posts about it.
    In brief, it is so Freesat can tie down the contract agreement with the manufacturers so they can’t decide what they do and don’t want to support. It also includes a much better chipset and components allowing more features to be added that the existing receivers can’t; think mainly around interactive services.
    Unfortunately cannot say much more because the official information hasn’t been released yet.

    So is this going to mean existing boxes (Foxsat HDR 320) will cease to work after the G2 roll-out?

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  32. admin Says:

    Bob K said: So is this going to mean existing boxes (Foxsat HDR 320) will cease to work after the G2 roll-out?

    All existing Freesat receivers will continue to operate as normal as nothing will change to the existing setup. You may just not get as many new features as the G2 spec receivers, but no technology can keep up with additions forever.

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  33. tezza greenhill Says:

    Jason said:
    Does anyone know where I can buy a Panasonic DMR-BS880? The cheaper the better.

    multizoneav.com are still advertising them. I have three, BS880, BW880 and a BS885 CI+ from Germany, wouldn’t be without them!

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  34. TimK Says:

    Shame. I actually fancied a Panasonic Recorder/BluRay. Had two (analogue TV) Pioneer combi DVD/HDD recorders which were brilliant. Could edit recordings (remove ads etc/select the best bits) and copy/archive to DVD at high speed. Expected the Panasonics to do similar. Alas am still waiting.

    I need the space under the tellty, what with the Humax, External Hard Drive,Media Player, Wii, DVD Player, TV Transmitters etc I could do with the odd combination box to save some space.

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  35. Liam Says:

    Any update on the Technisat EPG issue – its doing my head in at this stage – anyone in direct contact with them?

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  36. Jason Says:

    tezza greenhill said: multizoneav.com are still advertising them. I have three, BS880, BW880 and a BS885 CI+ from Germany, wouldn’t be without them!

    Hi tezza and thank you for the tip.

    Please can you tell me what the difference is between the BS880 and the BS885?

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  37. Martin Says:

    Al (Original) said: Just the same as any other recorder service including Sky which also needs two cables in case you never noticed.
    Also, never heard of DIY? Changing an LNB is two screws and surely you can run a length of cable.

    Listen clever clogs I meant there nothing worth recording on it as well as the exspence

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  38. Martin Says:

    Dont. Like heights I ment the cost as well as there is nothing worth recording on there at the moment I got a freeviwe recorder to record channels on at least I can record dave yesterday and quest on that

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  39. admin Says:

    Martin said:
    Dont. Like heightsI ment the cost as well as there is nothing worth recording on there at the moment I got a freeviwe recorder to record channels on at least I can record dave yesterday and quest on that

    A worrying sign when the only programmes someone wants to record are on Dave, Yesterday etc; but hey, everyones different ;)

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  40. Charles Says:

    Purchased a new Panasonic 850 Freesat/Blu-Ray recorder 18 months ago for £399.Still very pleased with its performance.Copies of recordings onto Blu-Ray are exact replicas of the originals,although it takes a while to get to grips with the copying proceedures.Also have copied around 4000 CD tracks onto the hard disc plus hundreds of still pictures.Compared to my Humax Freesat recorder the programme guides come up instantly and deleting of recordings takes a few seconds.Since the machines will do so much more than what the majority of people require then the market for them has been small added to which a detailed read of the manual is essential.Personally I think that they are a superb piece of kit but unless you are going to use its many facilities then its purchase would be a waste of money.

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  41. Neil Says:

    It’s sad that Panasonic have withdrawn these products but as others have commented they were overpriced, saying that I can’t talk as I shelled out £540 when I bought mine back in 2009. Saying that I am very happy with it, the BluRay and DVD archiving is great and used when the odd person wants a copy of a programme, in fact as I write this I’m burning DVD copies of CBeebies output this week for my Mum to take to sister’s abroad so my little nephew can watch all his favourite kids programmes.

    I think overall Panasonic have got a bit greedy and with DSO around Europe and the Western World now maturing (completed in some territories) then those who’ve invested in new HD panels aren’t going to buy in to 3D or Super HiVision which is the next advancement.

    Saying that Panasonic have supported the platform through it’s early development and lets hope with the G2 spec on it’s way they release a few new TV’s with Freesat G2 inclusive.

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  42. tezza greenhill Says:

    Jason said: Hi tezza and thank you for the tip.
    Please can you tell me what the difference is between the BS880 and the BS885?

    Hi Jason, the BS785/885 mainly for German/Austrian/Swiss markets but come with English/German/Italian manuals. These languages can also be set for the on-screen menu’s. It has a CI+ slot in the rear for HD+ CAM & card and DiSEqC1.0 for upto 4 LNB’s It will also record to DVD+R/+R DL/+RW, the BW & BS780/880 will not, only to the -R family of discs. No “Freesat” EPG, of course, otherwise identical. Hope that helps?

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  43. Richard Crichton Says:

    Martin said
    “Dont. Like heights I ment the cost as well as there is nothing worth recording on there at the moment I got a freeviwe recorder to record channels on at least I can record dave yesterday and quest on that”

    Yeah but you can’t record lots of other channels like CBS Reality, CBS Action, etc,etc.etc that are on Freesat but not on Freeview. There are 140 TV ch on Freesat and at most 55 lots of which are only on part time on Freeview. Not to mentionthe fact there is no room for ore HD channels on Freeview but any amount of room on Freesat.

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  44. Richard Crichton Says:

    Liam said:
    Any update on the Technisat EPG issue – its doing my head in at this stage – anyone in direct contact with them?

    Didn’t think there was an issue anymore. The EPG loaded fine last time I looked.

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  45. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Didn’t think there was an issue anymore. The EPG loaded fine last time I looked.

    TechniSat never released updated software, last shows as February 2011! With them pulling out of the Freesat market, it seems very unlikely they’ll ever officially release it….however, if anyone needs the beta version with EPG fix, just let me know, I have a copy.

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  46. Al (Original) Says:

    Martin said:
    Dont. Like heightsI ment the cost as well as there is nothing worth recording on there at the moment I got a freeviwe recorder to record channels on at least I can record dave yesterday and quest on that

    I can’t argue with the height issue. I’m the same although I did mount mine on the side of the house for that very reason. If you’ve inherited a dish mounted somewhere you’re not comfortable going then an installer is the only option.

    I’m kind of with Richard on the channel comment though. Each to their own, but there are far more interesting channels than Dave and Quest.

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  47. A J Clarke Says:

    Had 3 Panasonic sky boxes a few years ago,contantly going faulty in gaurantee and out,they were the absolute Pitts! cost me a fortune replacing them,have never baught anything since with a panasonic name. was always lead to believe this was a top company.never had one bit of a prob with my HUMAX boxes,both HD and HD+.

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  48. jonp Says:

    Admin

    Will the current Panny Freesat / Bluray Recorder range be continued in production?
    Personally I use my BS750 fully for Bluray and Camcorder archiving and hope it can be replaced eventually by a later model with the same functionality.

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  49. admin Says:

    jonp said:
    Admin
    Will the current Panny Freesat / Bluray Recorder range be continued in production?
    Personally I use my BS750 fully for Bluray and Camcorder archiving and hope it can be replaced eventually by a later model with the same functionality.

    No, that is the point of this news story, that Panasonic are not continuing their range of Freesat receivers!

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  50. Stevie b Says:

    Jason said: Does anyone know where I can buy a Panasonic DMR-BS880? The cheaper the better.

    Davis TV Eastbourne have one but dont know how much.

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  51. tezza greenhill Says:

    tezza greenhill said: Hi Jason, the BS785/885 mainly for German/Austrian/Swiss markets but come with English/German/Italian manuals. These languages can also be set for the on-screen menu’s. It has a CI+ slot in the rear for HD+ CAM & card and DiSEqC1.0 for upto 4 LNB’s It will also record to DVD+R/+R DL/+RW, the BW & BS780/880 will not, only to the -R family of discs. No “Freesat” EPG, of course, otherwise identical. Hope that helps?

    I think I should add this for anyone thinking of buying a DMR-BS785/885 from Germany. German dealers seem very reluctant to export these, best buy if you are visiting Germany, or, get a friend to send you one, as my very good friend Alan did for me! You can also try buying from eBay.de

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  52. Liam Says:

    admin said: TechniS

    Hi Admin – Id love to get my hands on the beta Firmware! Can you email me a copy. i havew two questions about it – is it buggy? and is it possible to ‘Revert’ to an earlier edition, if i have any issues – at this stage the EPG fault is a complete head wreck, so im willing to take a risk!

    Thanks

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  53. martin Says:

    yes i agree with you there as for recording cbs action and the rest of cbs output i like cbs i watched star trek missed a couple and caught up a few weeks later thier on a loop a never ending loop untill they change again and then thats all you ll see again

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  54. S.E. Says:

    Lee S said:
    Shame about Technisat, although, despite the great reviews for the HDFS, there was not enough brand awareness in the UK. Along with the lack of support within the UK and the fact that they are producing new receivers using their own standard for internet / on demand content, its no surprise really.

    I agree, the Technisat box was a lovely box and has served me well.

    I was under the impression that Technisat’s primary market was Continental Europe, and Freesat was a foot-in-the-door to the UK market for them.

    In Europe, I believe, Sky is received using retail boxes and CAM modules, and such boxes are not available in the UK due to Murdoch’s monopoly.

    As for their receivers using Technisat’s own internet / on-demand, I doubt that very much. I think it’s more likely they are following European retail standards of HbbTV.

    S.E.

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  55. Richard Crichton Says:

    martin said:
    yes i agree with you there as for recording cbs action and the rest of cbs output i like cbs i watched star trek missed a couple and caught up a few weeks laterthier on a loop a never ending loop untill they change again and then thats all you ll see again

    All the non premium channels are on a loop not just CBS.
    Star Trek the Next Generation is coming out in high def for the very first time on Blu-ray soon. Got the sampler disc and it’s brilliant.
    Personally I’m not bothered about recording anything especially not the low resolution channels. I was just pointing out that Freesat has lots more to record than Freeview even when you subtract all the BBC1&2 variations there are around 50 channels that are on Freesat that aren’t on Freeview. Then there are the Freeview relay transmitters which have even less channels.

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  56. Jason Says:

    Stevie b said: Davis TV Eastbourne have one but dont know how much.

    Hi Stevie. Thank you for the Davis TV tip. I phoned them and they no longer stock the DMR-BS880. They checked on ‘the system’ and confirmed that the DMR-BS880 is discontinued.

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  57. Richard Crichton Says:

    http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/panasonic-42-plasma-built-in-freesat-hd-and-freeview-tuners/96971459

    Seems a bit too good to be true but someone on Gumtree is selling the above for silly money.

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  58. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/panasonic-42-plasma-built-in-freesat-hd-and-freeview-tuners/96971459
    Seems a bit too good to be true but someone on Gumtree is selling the above for silly money.

    Bargain!! If that was a 32″ Panny for sale with the same discounted price reduction I’d shoot over to Leeds and buy it as my parents are after a new TV for their conservatory.

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  59. tezza greenhill Says:

    Jason said: Hi Stevie. Thank you for the Davis TV tip. I phoned them and they no longer stock the DMR-BS880. They checked on ‘the system’ and confirmed that the DMR-BS880 is discontinued.

    Hi Jason. All the following are advertising them on the web, how up-to-date the sites are, your guess is as good as mine?

    http://www.royjowetthomecinema.co.uk
    http://www.hcsdirect.co.uk
    http://www.saverstore.com
    http://www.techu.co.uk

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  60. Kevin Ver1 Says:

    I have read an article on the thinkbroadband web site about the 4G network will cause interference with Freeview TV. Apparently £180m is being set aside from the 4G auction to provide a fix for the interference. Freesat is mentioned as one of the solutions.

    I wonder if manufacturers will rue the day they turn their back on Freesat?

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  61. Al (Original) Says:

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  62. steve 1 Says:

    Freesat is not really a fix for freeview and the interference its a cop out with freeview viewers can’t they develope a interference shield or something

    Kevin Ver1 said:
    I have read an article on the thinkbroadband web site about the 4G network will cause interference with Freeview TV. Apparently £180m is being set aside from the 4G auction to provide a fix for the interference. Freesat is mentioned as one of the solutions.
    I wonder ifmanufacturers will rue the day they turn their back on Freesat?

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  63. steve 1 Says:

    Is it freeview sd and freeview hd going to have problems with 4G?

    steve 1 said:
    Freesat is not really a fix for freeview and the interference its a cop out with freeview viewers can’t they develope a interference shield or something

    Kevin Ver1 said:
    I have read an article on the thinkbroadband web site about the 4G network will cause interference with Freeview TV. Apparently £180m is being set aside from the 4G auction to provide a fix for the interference. Freesat is mentioned as one of the solutions.
    I wonder ifmanufacturers will rue the day they turn their back on Freesat?

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  64. Al (Original) Says:

    Freeview full stop I think Kevin.

    Its fairly safe to assume that the 4G signal will interfere with the television carrier signal so reception of all Freeview in affected areas will affected. HD or SD should make no difference as its the signal that will be compromised not the signal type.

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  65. Kevin Ver1 Says:

    Hi Al it was Steve asking the question!

    My experience of Freeview is not good. My aerial is pointed at a local transmitter and it only broadcasts one Mux and it is on very low power. The analogue channels are now very poor. I did attempt to improve the picture quality by running satellite grade cable from the TV to the aerial but having the aerial in the loft means I only got a small improvement. Watching programs on Freeview is so frustrating due to the cliff face reception.

    It will be interesting to see if there is an improvement at the end of May as that is the 1st stage of the switch over and I should benefit from full power Freeview transmissions. However as my TV is nearly 4 years old I will only get SD on Freeview. Another thing I have notice with Freesat it that it is very sensitive to interference such as mopeds and food mixers!

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  66. Matthew Says:

    Next gen free sat will likely be portable dishes of some kind that can pick up a signal from indoors. Heck it just needs to be a cheap as chips device that can pick up a sat signal from indoors perfectly. Someone will eventually invent this.

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  67. steve 1 Says:

    You must live in the last area to have freeview switchover

    Kevin Ver1 said:
    Hi Al it was Steve asking the question!
    My experience of Freeview is not good. My aerial is pointed at a local transmitter and it only broadcasts one Mux and it is on very low power. The analogue channels are now very poor. I did attempt to improve the picture quality by running satellite grade cable from the TV to the aerial but having the aerial in the loft means I only got a small improvement. Watching programs on Freeview is so frustrating due to the cliff face reception.
    It will be interesting to see if there is an improvement at the end ofMay as that is the 1st stage of the switch over and I should benefit from full power Freeview transmissions. However as my TV is nearly 4 years old I will only get SD on Freeview. Another thing I have notice with Freesat it that it is very sensitive to interference such as mopeds and food mixers!

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  68. Lee S Says:

    Matthew said:
    Next gen free sat will likely be portable dishes of some kind that can pick up a signal from indoors. Heck it just needs to be a cheap as chips device that can pick up a sat signal from indoors perfectly. Someone will eventually invent this.

    Satellite only works if there is a direct line of sight to the LNB.

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  69. Lee S Says:

    steve 1 said:
    Freesat is not really a fix for freeview and the interference its a cop out with freeview viewers can’t they develope a interference shield or something

    Special filters will be provided for people in these areas to eliminate interference from 4G signals at the cost of the mobile phone operator. It is only going to affect around 1m homes (Freeview has 17m viewers). Think of it like a broadband filter that you plug into your phone line.

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  70. admin Says:

    Matthew said:
    Next gen free sat will likely be portable dishes of some kind that can pick up a signal from indoors. Heck it just needs to be a cheap as chips device that can pick up a sat signal from indoors perfectly. Someone will eventually invent this.

    hehe, I think you’ll be waiting a very long time given satellite signals require a direct line of sight.

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  71. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said: hehe, I think you’ll be waiting a very long time given satellite signals require a direct line of sight.

    Worldspace satellite radio signals could be received through a brick wall, but it did use L- Band ,as I found to my surprise.
    (broadcasts were in the 1467–1492 MHz L sub-band.)

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  72. Richard Crichton Says:

    BTW the dish was the size of a saucer and could be mounted on a small radio that also had the FM band. You only needed to point the dish in a southerly direction to get a signal. It even worked in cars.

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  73. Saltydawg Says:

    Ant new channels coming up admin?

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  74. admin Says:

    Saltydawg said:
    Ant new channels coming up admin?

    None that I’m currently aware of sorry.

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  75. Lee S Says:

    I didn’t know if you already knew this admin, but http://www.goodmans.co.uk/ has a new updated website with the current and latest Freeview / Freesat models on. It also has a link to the new View21 brand as you posted – that they are developing a G2 Freesat receiver, but the site isn’t live yet.

    It says ‘coming soon’ for the new Goodmans Freesat PVR which looks very similar to the latest Bush offering from Argos with the channel number and power light in the centre of the front panel. I’m not sure how the latest Bush PVR performs as a budget model.

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  76. admin Says:

    Goodmans keep changing their models yet no where ever seems to sell them, so I haven’t made a big deal of promoting. Their View21 models due for launched aren’t G2 spec, but their own interactive brand for accessing iPlayer, Twitter, Youtube and the usual stuff more electronics brands are now focusing on. I don’t believe Goodmans (or Harvard group) have an agreed G2 contract yet.

    Not sure either on how the Bush PVR fairs, I can’t seem to get free samples from them for review. However, the Manhattan PVR should be along in a month or two so hopefully that will be priced well and a better option.

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  77. admin Says:

    This is their new PVR, the Goodmans GD11FSRHD50.

    Also already published the product on our pages here, http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/digital-boxes/goodmans-gd11fsrhd50, but still no sign of it since the launch last year!!!

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  78. Lee S Says:

    Thanks for that. Didn’t realise they were developing their own interactive features. Should be interesting. The only link I could find to a brief review and summary for the latest Bush PVR is from this site:

    http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org.uk/pages/products/digital_tvs/index.asp?Product=Bush%20BU11FSRHD32

    Looks like somebody managed to test the box and post the review before the end of 2011 as the site says no new products will be tested after 31st Dec 2011.

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  79. admin Says:

    Bloody ugly though isn’t it, the Goodmans at least looks better.

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  80. Lee S Says:

    This is even uglier if the freesat equivalent is going to be the same as the freeview:

    http://www.harvardplc.com/view21

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  81. admin Says:

    Lee S said:
    This is even uglier if the freesat equivalent is going to be the same as the freeview:
    http://www.harvardplc.com/view21

    Looks like a casserole dish!

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  82. monkeymagic Says:

    Look’s like something you would roast your Sunday lunch in, don’t forget the sprouts.Oh! And cover with plenty of foil, we don’t wan’t to burn this great creation.

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  83. Neil Says:

    Looks like Globecast have signed a multiple transponder deal with SES for forthcoming capacity. This is interesting as until now all their services have been on Eurobird1 so one assumes broadcasters want spotbeam capacity as Freesat is specifically mentioned in the press release.
    http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2012/10324855

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  84. Matthew Says:

    Speaking of channels, Sony Tv should be a priority for those wanting new channels, its free to view and just needs lots of free to air requests to tip the tide to freesat. Pretty much every non sky free to view channel should be asked.

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  85. admin Says:

    Matthew said:
    Speaking of channels, Sony Tv should be a priority for those wanting new channels, its free to view and just needs lots of free to air requests to tip the tide to freesat. Pretty much every non sky free to view channel should be asked.

    Struggling to find contact details for Sony TV, otherwise I’d have put them in the FTA/FTV post and encouraged more readers to contact them.

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  86. Al (Original) Says:

    admin said: None that I’m currently aware of sorry.

    Do you know what happened to the other 4’s that were supposed to be joining?

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  87. Archie Says:

    Matthew said:
    Speaking of channels, Sony Tv should be a priority for those wanting new channels, its free to view and just needs lots of free to air requests to tip the tide to freesat. Pretty much every non sky free to view channel should be asked.

    Looks like SONY tv plan to launch a movies channel http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/02/29/sony-planning-uk-film-channel/

    Keywords “Sky’s basic package” – Highly unlikely then that they are interested in a move to freesat and looks very likely, this new channel and it’s plus one will replace at least 2 of the movies for men channels, and probably reduce freesat’s lineup – Thanks Sony TV!

    Hope the link is allowed not too sure lol

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  88. Rozzo Says:

    admin said:
    Goodmans keep changing their models yet no where ever seems to sell them, so I haven’t made a big deal of promoting. Their View21 models due for launched aren’t G2 spec, but their own interactive brand for accessing iPlayer, Twitter, Youtube and the usual stuff more electronics brands are now focusing on. I don’t believe Goodmans (or Harvard group) have an agreed G2 contract yet.
    Not sure either on how the Bush PVR fairs, I can’t seem to get free samples from them for review. However, the Manhattan PVR should be along in a month or two so hopefully that will be priced well and a better option.

    The View21 description at http://www.harvardplc.com/view21 says:
    “Developed in partnership with ANT, the innovative View21 range unites the ANT Galileo TV connected services platform with free-to-air terrestrial and satellite, DTR functionality and a new EPG designed by Harvard’s development team.”

    Too hopeful to take literally with terrestrial and satellite on the one box?

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  89. Sonny Says:

    Sony license details/email to contact person here:
    http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/tvlicensing/cs/1291.htm

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  90. Matthew Says:

    It’s just a case of the site not being specific. All FTA and FTV channels are carried on Sky, should be no different with these rebranded channels. Focus should be on Sony TV, with enough demand it’l attract attention and a positive outcome.

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  91. Kate Says:

    This is bad news for Freesat loosing manufacturers and channel’s!

    I expected Panasonic thought more HD channels would have been in place by now, but now realise that Blu-ray recording is not that much of an advantage.

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  92. Rosco Says:

    Al (Original) said: Do you know what happened to the other 4′s that were supposed to be joining?

    How about More4+2? :D Its launching at the end of March!

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  93. Al (Original) Says:

    Well as someone else mentioned on movies 2 men they only have themselves to blame for poor viewing figures. When you put in on at allegedly low resolution and low bit rate, can you really blame people if they don’t want to watch the channel?

    The quality was so bad it was the sole reason I never watched it, even when there was a decent film on.

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  94. Al (Original) Says:

    Quality comment is in my opinion.

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  95. Neil Says:

    Al (Original) said:
    Well as someone else mentioned on movies 2 men they only have themselves to blame for poor viewing figures. When you put in on at allegedlylow resolution and low bit rate, can you really blame people if they don’t want to watch the channel?
    The quality was so bad it was the sole reason I never watched it, even when there was a decent film on.

    Ok, the bitrate is a bit low but I believe the content could be improved which would up the viewing figures too, I can honestly say I’ve never watched anything on those channels. I wonder if they do disappear from the platform whether CSC may capitalise on it and launch another film channel? Depends on whether they’ve got any content to put on it I suppose??

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  96. Neil Says:

    Al (Original) said:
    Well as someone else mentioned on movies 2 men they only have themselves to blame for poor viewing figures. When you put in on at allegedlylow resolution and low bit rate, can you really blame people if they don’t want to watch the channel?
    The quality was so bad it was the sole reason I never watched it, even when there was a decent film on.

    I’ve never seen anything decent on the Movies4Men channels though. Ok, the bitrate is poor but with a bit of investment and marketing they could up their viewing share.

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  97. Matthew Says:

    More 4 + 2 is launching March 26th 2012. Pretty sure this is 100 percent coming to freesat.

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  98. steve 1 Says:

    Is this for real +2 channel how sad

    Matthew said:
    More 4 + 2 is launching March 26th 2012. Pretty sure this is 100 percent coming to freesat.

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  99. Neil Says:

    Matthew said:
    More 4 + 2 is launching March 26th 2012. Pretty sure this is 100 percent coming to freesat.

    It’s a placeholder for Sky as they’ve purchased Current TV’s EPG slot. I thought this might be the ‘shuffle’ channels working name but possibly not, just a +2 of More4 for placeholding. Maybe they could call it ‘4rePlay’ but it should be coming to Freesat.

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  100. Matthew Says:

    Source for More 4+2 launching here
    http://www.overnights.tv/public/content/News.aspx

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  101. Richard Crichton Says:

    What are the chances of Freesat getting Film 4 HD?

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  102. Richard Crichton Says:

    Greene King has taken Sky out of their pubs. Probably old news but just heard about it on Radio 4. Well done Greene king.

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  103. Matthew Says:

    Film 4 HD has an exclusivity period with Virgin Media, when this runs out, it’l come to Freesat for sure.

    Film 4 HD launched on July 20th 2010 on Virgin Media, and they didn’t sign a long contract so I would say anytime in the next couple of years it’l come.

    So really, best to start expecting it anytime after July 20th 2012 really, if I were a guessing person I would say 2013.

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  104. Matthew Says:

    I think it’l come alongside E4 HD if it does arrive in the future.

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  105. Richard Crichton Says:

    Matthew said:
    Film 4 HD has an exclusivity period with Virgin Media, when this runs out, it’l come to Freesat for sure.
    Film 4 HD launched on July 20th 2010 on Virgin Media, and they didn’t sign a long contract so I would say anytime in the next couple of years it’l come.
    So really, best to start expecting it anytime after July 20th 2012 really, if I were a guessing person I would say 2013.

    Reason I asked is because they started BARB reporting on Feb 27th 2012.

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  106. Al (Original) Says:

    I’d swap E4HD and Film 4 HD for Movies 4 Men any day. :)

    Sad to see any channels leave if that’s what’s happening but the picture quality killed any chance of me viewing the Movies 4 Men channels.

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  107. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    Greene King has taken Sky out of their pubs. Probably old news but just heard about it on Radio 4. Well done Greene king.

    Good news there, perhaps they should replace it with a subscription to Nova Sports or Viasat, just don’t show the EPL copyrighted graphics. Viasat/Nova video combined with the commentry from BBC R5Live would be a great combo, that’s what I’d do if I owned a pub!

    Matthew said:
    Film 4 HD has an exclusivity period with Virgin Media, when this runs out, it’l come to Freesat for sure.
    Film 4 HD launched on July 20th 2010 on Virgin Media, and they didn’t sign a long contract so I would say anytime in the next couple of years it’l come.
    So really, best to start expecting it anytime after July 20th 2012 really, if I were a guessing person I would say 2013.

    I’d expect it’s a 2yr deal so we may expect Film4HD later this year, it could run for 3yrs but we’ll only know that closer to the time.

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  108. Matthew Says:

    I agree. Exclusivity deals are the only thing keeping some channels away, once all the money that can be made on them has been made, they’l come to Freesat.

    On the brightside, freesat is an infinitely superior system to freeview. Never an issue with signal break up or pixelation :)

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  109. Matthew Says:

    I still don’t think we’l end up with nothing if movies4men leaves freesat, if anything we’l get something, not sure what but we’l get something in the near future.

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  110. Neil Says:

    Matthew said:
    I agree. Exclusivity deals are the only thing keeping some channels away, once all the money that can be made on them has been made, they’l come to Freesat.
    On the brightside, freesat is an infinitely superior system to freeview. Never an issue with signal break up or pixelation

    Indeed, your right there. Remember when the iPhone was an exclusive O2 product? Now look at it, any network and any price plan. All exclusive deals come to an end eventually and HD is now becoming more and more accepted.

    I have every faith there will be more HD to come to the platform this year and not only C5HD.

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  111. Dave Says:

    What is everyone’s opinion on the best FreeSAT recorder to buy these days? Humax / Samsung / Other. I heard a rumour of a Manhattan recorder product, but it seems not to have appeared yet? Over the weekend I swapped our Quad LNB for an Octo LNB as a precursor to buying a recorder (we have SAT in multiple locations in the house). Should I buy the Humax FoxSAT now or wait to see what appears on the horizon? Can’t see anything appearing soon!? I have a Sony FreeSAT TV that I have been very happy with, but they have bowed out too, which is a shame…

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  112. admin Says:

    Dave said:
    What is everyone’s opinion on the best FreeSAT recorder to buy these days? Humax / Samsung / Other. I heard a rumour of a Manhattan recorder product, but it seems not to have appeared yet? Over the weekend I swapped our Quad LNB for an Octo LNB as a precursor to buying a recorder (we have SAT in multiple locations in the house). Should I buy the Humax FoxSAT now or wait to see what appears on the horizon? Can’t see anything appearing soon!? I have a Sony FreeSAT TV that I have been very happy with, but they have bowed out too, which is a shame…

    The safest bet is the Humax FOXSAT-HDR as it is well supporting on mainly well received. Manhattan launch their HDR-S hopefully in April after months of delays because of hard drive supply problems etc; the Manhattan will be much cheaper but still to be proven on how good it is. Alternatively wait for G2 spec receivers to arrive mid to late this year from Manhattan (a different model) and Sagecom (Humax are still a long way off their G2 receiver).

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  113. bigal Says:

    Al (Original) said: You can’t split a satellite signal as the signal is two way – the receiver sends power back up the cable to the LNB and you then overpower the LNB with 2 power feeds if you split it.

    You CAN split a satellite signal. With a dedicated Satellite splitter the voltage from the second receiver is ‘Blocked’ so as not to damage the LNB.

    The only problem with the splitter is you will get the same polarity channels on BOTH receivers.

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  114. bigal Says:

    @ 23 Al (Original)

    You CAN split a satellite signal. With a dedicated Satellite splitter the voltage from the second receiver is ‘Blocked’ so as not to damage the LNB.

    The only problem with the splitter is you will get the same polarity channels on BOTH receivers.

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  115. Orbling Says:

    Are there any Freesat boxes now that have HDD + DVD recording? Was going to go for one of the Panasonic line, and they stop selling them days beforehand. Mind you, people seem to have enough issues with them – though I’ve had Panasonic freeview equivalents for years and not had any issues. Need to switch to Freesat by the start of next month though, due to signal issues.

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  116. Richard Crichton Says:

    Orbling said:
    Are there any Freesat boxes now that have HDD + DVD recording?Was going to go for one of the Panasonic line, and they stop selling them days beforehand.Mind you, people seem to have enough issues with them – though I’ve had Panasonic freeview equivalents for years and not had any issues.Need to switch to Freesat by the start of next month though, due to signal issues.

    No I’m afraid not but there is a refurbished one on Amazon as I write this. Good luck.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003H9N7J2/ref=nosim?tag=joinfreesat-21

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  118. sondog69 Says:

    looking to buy a my first freesat+ box,read alot of problems on certain boxes, im just looking for a reliable box with series record and 320gb memory, i dont have access to internet so dont really care about bbc iplayer..
    anyone any ideas??

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  119. Dell Says:

    admin said: TechniSat never released updated software, last shows as February 2011! With them pulling out of the Freesat market, it seems very unlikely they’ll ever officially release it….however, if anyone needs the beta version with EPG fix, just let me know, I have a copy.
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    I have A panasonic 850 as my box will not update will this work

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