Sign the petition to force the UKTV channels onto Freesat

A e-petition has been set up on the HM Government website (not by us) to encourage the government to address the issue of the lack of UKTV channels on Freesat, partly owned by the BBC, and thereby paid for by our television license.

If the e-petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Government are suppose to discuss in the House of Commons, so get signing and lets see if we can make a difference. The current signatures stand at a lonely 6!

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39304

Responsible department: Department for Culture, Media and Sport

UKTV is half owned by BBC Worldwide, which in turn is owned by the BBC. As the BBC is paid by all owners of Television sets, Radio sets and Computers it is deplorable that UKTV is largely not available on Freesat and only five of the channels are available on Freeview.

We demand that a service that we are paying for is made available in it’s entirety on the Free to Air formats of Freeview, Freeview HD, Freesat and Freesat HD.

The channels (and their HD equivalents) include the following and any future additions under the UKTV umbrella:

Alibi, Blighty, Dave, Eden, Gold, Good Food, Home, Really, Watch and Yesterday.

We also demand that these channels are immediately removed from Sky’s paid subscription service and that any BSkyB action to claim compensation is immediately rejected as they knowingly and willingly entered an agreement that they knew should not have been allowed to happen.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39304

142 thoughts on “Sign the petition to force the UKTV channels onto Freesat”

  1. Clem Dye said: By channel count sure, but ‘value’ channels? I think not. There a different selection of channels I agree, but in terms of matching Freeview (which the vast majoirty of the UK can receive), they don’t. Counting +1 channels doesn’t add to the list of available channels, and when I look at Freesat I don’t see channels that I really want to watch, other than those that I’d get with Freeview Lite. As for kit, can you buy a Panasonic Freesat box, or a Sony? No, you can’t, and Joe Public really only sees mainstream products in this arena. Freeview PVRs won’t disappear either — time-shifting is something that we all do — a single tuner TV won’t satisfy that. Perhaps when IPTV is mature, maybe.

    The channels you watch are a personal choice and I prefer the ones not on Freeview but on Freesat. I have both platforms and was suprised how little is on Freeview when I got YouView recently after only having Freesat for years. I don’t watch the UKTV channels in case your wondering. As for kit Samsung make a Freesat PVR and a range of Freesat TV’s. Samsung is the biggest home electronics company in the world.

  2. Yes, Samsung do make Freesat kit at present, but Sony stopped manufacture of their Freesat panels a while back, and Panasonic dropped their Freesat PVRs too, leaving just a few Freesat panels in their range. Not sure about LG. Big names, that people are aware of — try asking Joe Public if they’ve heard of Humax or Manhattan kit though. The point is, Freesat is not mainstream in the way that Freeview is, and unless something changes, manufacturers won’t bother making suitable kit. The range of channels on Freesat might be greater, but unless people get to hear about them they may as well not be there. As I said previously, people equate satellite TV with Sky, and unless Freesat gets a bigger marketing push, more channels that people actually want to watch (UKTV, E4HD, More4HD, etc.) I think that it will end-up very much as a minority platform, if it lasts, that is.

  3. Rosco said:
    What most folks dont seem to realise is that the alternative to encryption for the UKTV services is likely not fta, but closure for several of them.

    That would not necessary be a bad thing.

  4. Clem Dye said:
    Yes, Samsung do make Freesat kit at present, but Sony stopped manufacture of their Freesat panels a while back, and Panasonic dropped their Freesat PVRs too, leaving just a few Freesat panels in their range. Not sure about LG. Big names, that people are aware of — try asking Joe Public if they’ve heard of Humax or Manhattan kit though. The point is, Freesat is not mainstream in the way that Freeview is, and unless something changes, manufacturers won’t bother making suitable kit. The range of channels on Freesat might be greater, but unless people get to hear about them they may as well not be there. As I said previously, people equate satellite TV with Sky, and unless Freesat gets a bigger marketing push, more channels that people actually want to watch (UKTV, E4HD, More4HD, etc.) I think that it will end-up very much as a minority platform, if it lasts, that is.

    I’m sure Freesat will last. It’s really just an EPG provider, a joint venture bewteen BBC and ITV to provide a fill in for non Freeview areas which will always exist in thinly populated areas .They obviously need to cover their costs but are not out to make a vast profit like Sky is. Freesat is here to stay I’m convinced of that and even if it closes the boxes will still pick up the FTA channels so I’m not that bothered either way. Went to a big Asda a few weeks ago and there was a shelf full of Freesat kit for sale.
    BBC1 HD Wales and BBC1 HD Scotland start on the 14th on all platforms.

  5. Richard Crichton said: I’m sure Freesat will last.It’s really just an EPG provider, a joint venture bewteen BBC and ITV to provide a fill in for non Freeview areas which will always exist in thinly populated areas .They obviously need to cover their costs but are not out to make a vast profit like Sky is. Freesat is here to stay I’m convinced of that and even if it closes the boxes will still pick up the FTA channels so I’m not that bothered either way. Went to a big Asda a few weeks ago and there was a shelf full of Freesat kit for sale.
    BBC1 HD Wales and BBC1 HD Scotland start on the 14th on all platforms.

    The BBC won’t let it fail, in fact with the new T2 DTT Mux’s going live carrying more BBC and commercial HD services (C4 have committed to two) then as these interim Mux’s will only have around 63% UK coverage then Freesat will be needed by those wanting to enjoy the BBC’s services which will be then made available via HD but who don’t want to pay ‘the evil one’!

  6. Hopefully the appointment of the Marketing Director for Freesat will help. How come its not been announced on here?

  7. Saltydawg said:
    Hopefully the appointment of the Marketing Director for Freesat will help. How come its not been announced on here?

    I wasn’t aware they had a new Marketing Director either. Who is he and what’s his background? Admin will probably know although may not be public knowledge yet?

  8. Do what thousands of other people are now waking up and doing…..cancel your TV licence.

    It is not that painful to go legally licence free. Anything watched on catch up does not need a licence. Or if you want to carry on watching live TV then simply never respond to the Capita goons and there is nothing they can do about it.

    Think how many thousands of pounds you have given over the years to an organisation that protects peados, pays it’s hapless bosses £500,000 severance packages and then tries to resell us the stuff we paid to produce via this UKTV paywall.

  9. Channels that are free on freeview and also available on satellite shouldn’t hide behind a paytv wall on satellite.

  10. Paul D said: tries to resell us the stuff we paid to produce via this UKTV paywall.

    I assume you mean Sky/VM by that.
    UKTV is free for everyone with DTT. It is Sky/VM who tries to resell us the stuff we paid to produce with the help of a certain former government isn’t it.

  11. Paul D said:
    Do what thousands of other people are now waking up and doing…..cancel your TV licence.
    It is not that painful to go legally licence free.Anything watched on catch up does not need a licence. Or if you want to carry on watching live TV then simply never respond to the Capita goons and there is nothing they can do about it.
    Think how many thousands of pounds you have given over the years to an organisation that protects peados, pays it’s hapless bosses £500,000 severance packages and then tries to resell us the stuff we paid to produce via this UKTV paywall.

    Think of the many millions paid to keep a great organisation like the BBC running. I have no issue whatsoever with paying my TV licence, it provides me great TV and radio, all subscription and ad free. If I were Prime Minister I’d raise the LF by an immediate £50/yr to cover losses and allow them to ‘take on’ the likes of Sky better in protecting what should be rightfully FTA.

    Licence fee dodgers should be caught and prosecuted, I know one who was close to being reported however funnily since his other half got a job at a Sky call centre then he decided he’d better go out and buy one!!

  12. Richard Crichton said: I assume you mean Sky/VM by that.
    UKTV is free for everyone with DTT. It is Sky/VM who tries to resell us the stuff we paid to produce with the help of a certain former government isn’t it.

    GOLD is free on DTT?

  13. Neil said: Think of the many millions paid to keep a great organisation like the BBC running. I have no issue whatsoever with paying my TV licence, it provides me great TV and radio, all subscription and ad free. If I were Prime Minister I’d raise the LF by an immediate £50/yr to cover losses and allow them to ‘take on’ the likes of Sky better in protecting what should be rightfully FTA.
    Licence fee dodgers should be caught and prosecuted, I know one who was close to being reported however funnily since his other half got a job at a Sky call centre then he decided he’d better go out and buy one!!

    Amusing that you call the BBC “subscription free” in a post where you say how happy you are to pay them £12 per month subscription.

    It is like orwellian doublethink.

    Why should someone who, for example, only ever watches the odd football match on ITV, have to pay £145 per year to a broadcaster he never watches? It is ludicrous.

    If a licence fee capita thug comes to my door I will remove their implied rights of access. Any subsequent visits from them will immediately be trespass and they will be removed by force. They can’t touch me and you know it.

  14. Cheers Saltydawg, interesting reading, hopefully with his background, particularly with BSkyB Paul Gilshan can help drive brand awareness as he’ll be fully aware of the broadcast market.

    Paul D: I’m not going to get in to an argument about the licence fee. It’s a tax like everything else, however it funds the BBC which I’m passionate about. If you want to see a world without PSB TV, go to the US and see the drivel put out on the numerous services over there, makes the BBC a shining star. I don’t like paying Tax to support Welfare and the NHS but have no say in that as have never claimed and seldom visit doctors or hospitals but have no say in that whatsoever. It’s a tax, pay it, end of.

  15. The licence fee would not even be in question if subscription tv wasn’t around. I fully support this fee it’s our own national treasure. If people want to look at it as a subscription fair enough but I would rather pay this (which we all have done for years) than pay over £60 a month for the top tier to s*y. If the BBC wasn’t around we would end up paying for every channel we watch which I know most people would not and could not afford. Thank goodness for the BBC, Freesat & Freeview for giving us great tv for very little.

  16. Neil said:
    Cheers Saltydawg, interesting reading, hopefully with his background, particularly with BSkyB Paul Gilshan can help drive brand awareness as he’ll be fully aware of the broadcast market.
    Paul D: I’m not going to get in to an argument about the licence fee. It’s a tax like everything else, however it funds the BBC which I’m passionate about. If you want to see a world without PSB TV, go to the US and see the drivel put out on the numerous services over there, makes the BBC a shining star. I don’t like paying Tax to support Welfare and the NHS but have no say in that as have never claimed and seldom visit doctors or hospitals but have no say in that whatsoever. It’s a tax, pay it, end of.

    LOL at the idea of the BBC being a shining star. It is an old boys paedo network full of of overpaid trough-eaters. If the BBC is such a shining star with wonderful programmes then make it a subscription model…or are they concerned we won’t actually subscribe to watch the rubbish that is usually on there?

    To say that america just churns out drivel is preposterous. They have far better TV than us, just look at the real quality drama they get with HBO and their sports broadcasting is light years ahead of ours. And they still manage to have PBS without charging everyone for a licence.

    I will not pay and noone can make me.

  17. I gladly pay the licence fee to be rid of pesky commercials every 12 minutes or so. I believe PSB in the States has commercials and also relies on donations from the public to keep going so is not free really. There is nothing worse to watch than commercial tv in the US and the only good stuff is subscription based.If the BBC did not exist I would not own a tv at all.

  18. Paul D said: GOLD is free on DTT?

    Never head of Gold not having Sky/VM.Is that a tv channel 🙂 Don’t care if its on Freesat or not. Another retro channel with commercials every 10 minutes I suppose.

  19. I think my contribution with Paul is done here. Not getting in to an argument about the licence fee but nice to see Richard, John and Tony all back me up!

  20. @112 Paul D … I did not know gold was free . Where and how please ???
    Thanks for any help ..

    Also I signed and I see freesat sold 2 million or more boxs why can we not get 100.00 signed up ? …….

  21. Neil said:
    I think my contribution with Paul is done here. Not getting in to an argument about the licence fee but nice to see Richard, John and Tony all back me up!

    Yes, quitting while behind is always wise.

  22. Dave w said:
    @112 Paul D … I did not know gold was free . Where and how please ???
    Thanks for any help ..
    Also I signed and I see freesat sold 2 million or more boxs why can we not get 100.00 signed up ? …….

    No, GOLD not being free was my point.

  23. Richard Crichton said: Never head of Gold not having Sky/VM.Is that a tv channel Don’t care if its on Freesat or not. Another retro channel with commercials every 10 minutes I suppose.

    You have never heard of one of the very channels this blog post is about??? Do you post on random blog posts for fun?

  24. Richard Crichton said:
    I gladly pay the licence fee to be rid of pesky commercials every 12 minutes or so. I believe PSB in the States has commercials and also relies on donations from the public to keep going so is not free really. There is nothing worseto watch than commercial tv in the US andthe only good stuff is subscription based.If the BBC did not exist I would not own a tv at all.

    That is you. I, on the other hand, only really own a TV so I can watch football matches. Tell me why I should pay for “Strictly Come Dancing” and Eastenders and all the other bilge when all I usually watch is the FA Cup and Champions league etc on ITV.

    I don’t pay and I won’t. You keep renting for a paedo ring if that suits you.

  25. Paul D said:
    I don’t pay and I won’t.You keep renting for a paedo ring if that suits you.

    Ok, that is enough now thanks. Fair enough you don’t pay a license fee because you don’t like programmes on the BBC, but many do, and many follow the law as it currently stands to pay a license for watching live TV, no matter what channel it is on.

    As for your final comment; please leave that kind of gutter talk off this site. To suggest license fee payers like those in this discussion wish to support paedophiles is just incredibly immature.

  26. Dave w said:

    Also I signed and I see freesat sold 2 million or more boxs why can we not get 100.00 signed up ? …….

    Because

    1) most folk really dont give a toss if the uktv channels are transmitted free or not

    2) a good proportion of those 2 million are second & thirds sets for folk with Sky

    3) only a tiny tiny proportion of the Freesat households venture onto this site & the others that have the e-petition link

    4) many of us that do visit these sites wont sign the petition because its badly worded & factually incorrect.

  27. admin said: Ok, that is enough now thanks. Fair enough you don’t pay a license fee because you don’t like programmes on the BBC, but many do, and many follow the law as it currently stands to pay a license for watching live TV, no matter what channel it is on.
    As for your final comment; please leave that kind of gutter talk off this site. To suggest license fee payers like those in this discussion wish to support paedophiles is just incredibly immature.

    Yet, another one of your posters calling me a “freetard” is mature? Why didn’t you warn the person that said that? Hmm?

    I have actually been an avid reader and foillower of this blog since 2008. I don’t think I will bother again.

  28. John H said:
    Let’s start a petition on who agrees with Freetards like Paul D. I won’t be signing

    I am quoting this to illustrate the kind of “mature” posts that the admin here wish people to make.

  29. Paul D said: Yet, another one of your posters calling me a “freetard” is mature?Why didn’t you warn the person that said that?Hmm?
    I have actually been an avid reader and foillower of this blog since 2008.I don’t think I will bother again.

    Good – the blog can do without attitudes like yours on it.

  30. Paul D said: I am quoting this to illustrate the kind of “mature” posts that the admin here wish people to make.

    I hadn’t spotted that one, but then sifting through hundreds of comments isn’t easy. Yours were easier to spot, as you posted 4 in a row.

    John H said:
    Let’s start a petition on who agrees with Freetards like Paul D. I won’t be signing 🙂

    John H, please avoid personal insults, they are not wanted on here thanks.

  31. admin said: I hadn’t spotted that one, but then sifting through hundreds of comments isn’t easy. Yours were easier to spot, as you posted 4 in a row.John H, please avoid personal insults, they are not wanted on here thanks.

    None of mine contained insults. Just opinions. But I realise they aren’t welcome here now.

  32. Paul D said: None of mine contained insults.Just opinions.But I realise they aren’t welcome here now.

    You haven’t made any direct insults, but the suggestion you made was totally unnecessary and unwanted. Your participation on this website is welcome and I appreciate your viewing over the years, but please keep discussions on a mature level; you don’t want to pay the license because you don’t believe you should (and don’t like the BBC/their programmes), others do, it doesn’t have to turn into such a mud throwing match.

    Please, no more comments on this other than discussing the (questionable) petition; it is Friday night and I really wanted to escape working for a few hours!

  33. Just to add, I’m proud of this site and all those that choose to visit daily and contribute opinions on topics posted, but it does take up a lot of time for zero gain, so the second this site constantly turns into another DigitalSpy (a slagging match combined with poor moderation), I’ll pull the comment section or site completely.

  34. admin said:
    Just to add, I’m proud of this site and all those that choose to visit daily and contribute opinions on topics posted, but it does take up a lot of time for zero gain, so the second this site constantly turns into another DigitalSpy (a slagging match combined with poor moderation), I’ll pull the comment section or site completely.

    It would be a sad loss should you feel you need to do that. The majority of readers/posters take part in mature/reasoned comment & debate and appreciate all the hard and sometimes thankless work you have put into keeping this site going. Let’s not let one bad apple spoil things for the rest of us. Long live joinfreesat!

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