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Mar 19 2012

Tesco offer Freesat HD install bundleFor those of you reading this considering Freesat, but without any of the equipment required, this might be of interest to you.

Tesco have today launched their Freesat HD bundle, which comprises of the fantastic Manhattan Plaza HD-S, as well as basic installation, all for just £99.97.

The installation itself is carried out by third party company Euro Aerials and includes the dish, lnb, cables, clips and brackets; it is a basic install but will suit most customer requirements. Alternatively, if you already have a suitable dish in place, Tesco/Euro Aerials will upgrade your LNB to a quad version.

This is a great deal, especially considering the Manhattan Plaza HD-S Freesat HD receiver alone retails for around £80. This might just be a cheap way to access Freesat.

The deal can be purchased from Tesco Direct

The item description on the Tesco website is as follows:

The Manhattan freesat HD install bundle offers everything you need to start watching freesat HD on your TV from scratch in one easy and affordable package:

- Manhattan Plaza HD-S Freesat HD receiver.
- Standard installation by Freesat approved specialists, including all necessary cables, clips and brackets and satellite dish.
- Quad LNB upgrade if a dish is already present.
- Demonstration of the receiver.

Once the box has arrived, all you need to do is call the number inside to arrange a convenient time for their installation.

The Manhattan Freesat HD DTR not only transmits programmes and channels delivered by the freesat TV service, it also transmits the newest HD channels too.

Once you’ve hooked this Manhattan TV receiver to your satellite TV connection, you’ll have instant access to a wide range of free-to-air TV and radio stations, with no subscription fees to pay. You’ll also get access to other features that are available on pay-TV systems, such as an 8 day electronic programme guide, digital text and audio descriptions for the hard of hearing.

Comes complete with easy-to-use remote control. If you connect the box to your internet connection you can also watch BBC iPlayer (cable not included in installation bundle).

An image of the sleeve attached to the box can be found here.

191 Responses to “Tesco offer Freesat HD install bundle”

  1. Geoff Says:

    Tesco deal seems too good to be true. What’s the catch?

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  2. Simon Says:

    This is great news, the more people that get Freesat the better. Freeview is very unreliable service that should be scraped, I have a high gain 48 element boosted digital TV aerial on the roof and top quality foam core coaxial cable and I still get LOTS of blockyness and channel break-up. Freesat is 100% perfect all the time!

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  3. Neil Says:

    Now there’s a really good deal, nice to see Tesco supporting the platform after many years of them being lined by Sky’s pockets. Lets hope they are running in store promos on their TV’s to push this deal. As it includes the Manhattan HD-S it’s got the thumbs up for me, guess they’ve done a deal with Manhattan on a bulk purchase deal.

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  4. John Hereford Says:

    Excellent idea and a great (and cost effective) way to encourage new viewers to join the Freesat platform.

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  5. Richard Crichton Says:

    Tesco Freesat standard installation alone is £77.97 so this is an incredible deal but it needs tp be well advertised in store and on TV.
    Good to see they are using the best Freesat/FTA zapper for this promotion.
    I worry slightly that Manhattan may be dumping stock due to worse than expected sales figures.It seems slightly odd that Freesat are keeping the sales figures so quiet lately.

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  6. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    I worry slightly that Manhattan may be dumping stock due to worse than expected sales figures.It seems slightly odd that Freesat are keeping the sales figures so quiet lately.

    Alex might wish to interject into this comment, but from what I’m told, Tesco have no better a deal on the HD-S than any other trade customer (on volume) and their promotion is at the risk of the installation company making a loss, not Tesco nor any concerns by Manhattan to dump stock.

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  7. Richard Crichton Says:

    John Hereford said:
    Excellent idea and a great (and cost effective) way to encourage new viewers to join the Freesat platform.

    The best way to encourage new viewers is to offer something that can never be available on the other free platform because they don’t have the space.
    It’s strange how some people would never have a dish on their house but are quite happy to have an ugly UHF aerial.

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  8. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said: Alex might wish to interject into this comment, but from what I’m told, Tesco have no better a deal on the HD-S than any other trade customer (on volume) and their promotion is at the risk of the installation company making a loss, not Tesco nor any concerns by Manhattan to dump stock.

    That’s good news.
    The installation company are almost certainly going to loose money unless they claim extra for non standard installations.

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  9. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: The best way to encourage new viewers is to offer something that can never be available on the other free platform because they don’t have the space.It’s strange how some people would never have a dish on their house but are quite happy to have an ugly UHF aerial.

    I think there’s only a few people falling in to the “don’t like a dish” category these days as since DSO more people seem to have warmed to the idea. Replacing an aging UHF antenna with a dish is also cheaper in some respects as it doesn’t need to be mounted as high.

    Richard Crichton said: That’s good news.
    The installation company are almost certainly going to loose money unless they claim extra for non standard installations.

    That was my initial concern but there must be some deal struck. I wonder how long this offer is going to last?? We’ll have to wait and see.

    Sales-wise I think Freesat are doing well, I too would be keen to see an update on current unit sales. I wonder if they are holding this back as they don’t want Sky to know the true extent of the inroads they are potentially making?

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  10. Paul Says:

    Does anyone know the contact number that you’re meant to ring when you get this box?

    I’m thinking of getting this, however I’d like them to use a Quad LNB instead, and wire it into a 2nd room in the house. That way my main TV downstairs can use the built in Freesat HD Tuner, and my bedroom can use the provided box so I can finally receive TV in that room again. I wonder how much extra I should expect to pay for that?

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  11. liamo Says:

    @Admin: Just wondering how long it will be before we get the results for the Ask Emma Scott a question section – Im interested to hear what she has to say on Freesat Currently – Thanks in advance :)

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  12. admin Says:

    Paul said:
    Does anyone know the contact number that you’re meant to ring when you get this box?

    Euro Aerials number is 01423 560022. Not entirely sure it is the same number as quoted by Tesco on the card, but might be worth calling them to find out.

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  13. admin Says:

    liamo said:
    @Admin: Just wondering how long it will be before we get the results for the Ask Emma Scott a question section – Im interested to hear what she has to say on Freesat Currently – Thanks in advance :)

    I asked today and was told hopefully by the end of the week; there were quite a lot of questions to go through and I’m happier for Emma to have taken her time over them than just give brief and generic answers. Here’s hoping for an interesting insight like last time.

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  14. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi all,

    This sounds like a great deal with a great receiver thats worth £80, but I cant help wondering what sort of quality of install the customer will get once tesco / euro aerials cut has been taken & the cost of the dish lnb & cable clips etc have been taken from the remaining £19 odd quid, I also wonder what the guy contracted to actually install it would get per install & how many he would have to do a day to make a living after covering his costs.

    I dont mean to sound negative but while this move may increase freesat viewing numbers, I would hate the public to begin to think that freesat is a unreliable platform or Manhattan to get a bad reputation due to bang em up type installs. Another major satellite platform still suffers from a reputation gained in its early days.

    Are any of the other professional installers on here able to supply & install a dish, set up the box & show the customer how to use it and make a living at these sort of margins ? I dont think I could !

    I have to agree with the first poster Geoff & ask “whats the catch”

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  15. admin Says:

    There shouldn’t be a catch for the customer, this is very much a loss-leader deal for Tesco in the same way that selling booze on a loss works out well if the customer buys food at the same time!

    Euro Aerials are taking a risk by hoping that they’ll get a cut of the deal but not actually be needed to carry out the installation, or only having to recycle an existing dish and upgrade the LNB which cost very little these days.

    Given that Tesco specifically asked if I would promote this offer (it is a good offer for the customer so of course I was willing to), would suggest that they’ll not miss out regardless, but Euro Aerials may…the previously installation company couldn’t match this deal as they found it too risky.

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  16. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Admin,

    I have to agree its a great deal for the customer, & with the previous installation company that I also would find it far too risky !

    The upside is that this should raise Freesat’s profile & the public’s awareness of a fantastic platform, which as we have previously discussed has in the past not been a good as it could of been.

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  17. Neil Says:

    If the Manhattan is retailing at £75-£80 then Tesco must have got these for £40-£45 at a guess? I’m not 100% up on trade margins in the Satellite retail business so plucking these figures based on what I’ve seen other receivers for at the trade wholesalers I use. I guess Tesco have got a deal on quantity, thus if you then look at it, as admin says, from a loss-leader perspective they could be paying Euro Aerials up to £45 per installation. Still not much but considering a quad LNB trade is about a fiver and dishface £8 there’s some profit if it’s a quick fit job.

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  18. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Neil,

    I wonder if Argos will put together a similar deal with their Bush branded products or if DSG will do something similar with their logik branded Freesat boxes. It looks like things are about to get interesting for everyone involved in the Freesat scene !

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  19. Paul Says:

    Thanks for the number admin.

    I’ve ordered it anyway. Found a £10 off discount code, so £89.97 :)

    Should collect the box on wednesday.

    Decided I’ll either ask on the phone when it comes to booking the install date, or when the guy turns up in person, as to how much extra it would be to switch to a quad LNB and put the wire into a 2nd room.

    If its a reasonably priced extra then I’ll just get them to do it, if not then I’ll just have them install it to 1 room, then at a later date add my own LNB as they seem to be around £7 or so, and wire the extra cable myself, as I have a load of coax cable from Virgin/NTL use around the house, and shouldn’t need much by way of extras. Mind, with any luck it will come with a dual LNB as default, though I’m expecting it to be a single.

    Any ideas what you guys would think would be a reasonable additional charge for them to change LNB to a quad (if its not a dual one that is), and add a cable to a 2nd room, so I have a rough ballpark figure?

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  20. admin Says:

    Paul, you’d probably be looking at £20 to the installer (cash in hand), but maybe a lot more if you have to do it officially. Dual (twin) LNB’s are never used, and single LNB’s are being phased out, so you might get lucky and find it is a quad LNB.

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  21. Paul Says:

    thanks again :)

    I’ll wait until they arrive then, and see if I can peak to if its a quad :). Mind, deals like this are probably a way for them to get rid of old single lnb stock I guess….have to wait and see :)

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  22. jonny Says:

    how do you order this and where is the code?

    I can’t see it on tesco’s website?

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  23. admin Says:

    jonny said:
    how do you order this and where is the code?
    I can’t see it on tesco’s website?

    Ermmm, use the link in the post above???

    Also here, http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/link.php?product=tescoinstall

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  24. Patrick Says:

    That is cheap,my dish with quad LNB and 18m of cable+sat/finder cost £20 brand new on ebay,I installed it in about 4hrs as I never done this work before and connected to my humax box,works a treat.The humax box I got was supplied free from LG after their LF7700 cockup,but if I had to buy one myself it would have cost a total of £120.So I don`t know how Tesco can do all this for under £100 as fuel cost and transport to reach customers must be huge let alone the travelling to and from destinations+installation time.This sounds like a dream come true for customers and a nightmare for installation experts.

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  25. Rowan Says:

    This is a really good offer. We already have a recent Freesat dish installation up and running with a Quad LNB. However I’m interested in getting a box for a 2nd room. Do you think the Tesco offer would cover putting Freesat in a 2nd room as a dish and LNB is already up?

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  26. admin Says:

    Rowan said:
    This is a really good offer. We already have a recent Freesat dish installation up and running with a Quad LNB. However I’m interested in getting a box for a 2nd room. Do you think the Tesco offer would cover putting Freesat in a 2nd room as a dish and LNB is already up?

    Unlikely, they would only cover upgrading you to a quad LNB but you already have one. They will put you up another dish though :D

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  27. darth Says:

    Mark Aberfan Aerials said:
    Hi Neil,
    I wonder if Argos will put together a similar deal with their Bush branded products or if DSG will do something similar with their logik branded Freesat boxes. It looks like things are about to get interesting for everyone involved in the Freesat scene !
    Mark Aberfan Aerials

    I doubt DSG will as I have been told they have just pulled out of doing freesat installs

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  28. Neil Says:

    Mark Aberfan Aerials said:
    Hi Neil,
    I wonder if Argos will put together a similar deal with their Bush branded products or if DSG will do something similar with their logik branded Freesat boxes. It looks like things are about to get interesting for everyone involved in the Freesat scene !
    Mark Aberfan Aerials

    Hi Mark,

    You never know. How much profit is there in Sat Dish installations as Sky must take the lions share and with free installation when signing up, even those who move and leave the dish make new Freesat installs fewer than would normally be (I suppose to Freesat it’s a big thank you to Sky as they do the hard work with the dish installation).

    Rowan: as admin says, I’d do a cash in hand deal with the installer regarding second room installs. Most will run in a feed for a decent price as it’s fairly simple, providing your not going half way around the house and back!!

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  29. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    darth said: I doubt DSG will as I have been told they have just pulled out of doing freesat installs

    Hi Darth,

    I might be wrong, but I seem to remember that they were using the same company that Tesco are now using to do their installs.

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  30. Richard Crichton Says:

    Off Topic: If you live in a timber frame house you will probably have 3ft clearance between the concrete base and the floor boarding and perhaps a trap door in the floor (under the stairs is common) making it easy to run a feed in through an air brick then drill a hole down through the floor behind your television. Overalls recommended else you could get covered in concrete dust.
    On Topic:
    Will Euro Aerials install for no extra charge if they need to take a ferry (highlands and islands) or would that constitute a non standard install?
    I don’t see how this offer can be possible unless Tesco are getting the boxes for £40 or less.

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  31. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    I don’t see how this offer can be possible unless Tesco are getting the boxes for £40 or less.

    They are not. The risk is on the installer only.

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  32. Alex (Tesco) Says:

    admin said: Alex might wish to interject into this comment, but from what I’m told, Tesco have no better a deal on the HD-S than any other trade customer (on volume) and their promotion is at the risk of the installation company making a loss, not Tesco nor any concerns by Manhattan to dump stock.

    Hi all,

    Whilst not able to comment on specifics about how we have structured this deal, I can assure you that this is not a clearance exercise, rather a deal structured to entice additional customers to join the Freesat platform that will benefit all involved.

    Installation is carried out by Euro Aerials who are a Freesat approved installer. Contact number for install is 0844 847 0248. They will be able to answer exact queries on whether your situation is covered by a standard install. Some examples of typical non-standard items include;

    o Chimney brackets (where we can only get LOS from the chimney)
    o Additional cable runs over 20 metres
    o Specialist bracketing in non-standard guttering areas on certain properties
    o Installations above 3 storeys in height

    Kind regards,

    Alex

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  33. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said: They are not. The risk is on the installer only.

    So they will fit a dish etc on my house in the outer Shetland Islands that need two ferries and a 20miles journey on a single track road to get there for this price?
    Get my drift :-)

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  34. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said: So they will fit a dish etc on my house in the outer Shetland Islands that need two ferries and a 20miles journey on a single track road to get there for this price?
    Get my drift :-)

    Absolutely understand you, but the installation company are working on the basis that most of the purchases won’t lead to an installation, or only require an LNB upgrade. It is a huge risk for them, but great deal for the customer.

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  35. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: So they will fit a dish etc on my house in the outer Shetland Islands that need two ferries and a 20miles journey on a single track road to get there for this price?
    Get my drift

    They’ll (Euro Aerials) probably have ‘Island Agents’ on the Western and Northern Isles they can sub or pass the work over to. I guess Sky work in a similar way up there as can’t see enough work, on Shetland a an example, for numerous Sky/satellite installers.

    When I was up in Skye back in 2010 they’d just gone through DSO and the B&B had a neat Freesat setup in each room. The owner was chatting to me about how there were only two guys who independently work on the island running around like headless chickens trying to sort out these installs for the B&B’s who’s left it to the last minute prior to analogue shutdown before investing in new kit!

    Mark (Aberfan Aerials) – a bit of advice sought. What would be the going rate (labour-wise) for an IRS installation feeding eight rooms in a B&B/pub. I’ve got an idea on kit as have a trade account with a local wholesaler but was chatting to a pub landlord in Cumbria yesterday who wants to feed his rooms from a central dish and put a Freesat Rx in every room (+ in the bar) which is going to involve a lot of new cabling. The existing set up is a mess with D/A’s fed off other D/A’s daisychained and split! My line of work is broadcast based but do the odd satellite and UHF antenna job, never done a full IRS type install before though.

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  36. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi all,

    I get the feeling that the only people likely to lose out on this deal will be the subcontractors who will actually doing the install, I doubt if anyone on wages will get sent to these installs due to the high risk of loss of money on these jobs.

    Am I to take it no other professionals could afford to do installs with this sort of margin & high risk of loss due to the lack of response to my previous question about this. ?

    I will continue to fit Freesat but only when the job pays it’s way & I can get paid properly to do a proper job otherwise its simply unsubstainable. If Freeview jobs are going provide a better return for my time, then I’ll be doing more of them or fitting security cameras or somthing else that better rewards my investment in equipment & training, insurance etc, When buying stock & equipment etc I will take into account to buy from companies that dont undermine their customer base & likewise when I’m asked to get TV’s for house bound customers I doubt If I’ll be getting them at Tesco’s .
    Its a simple as this, if customers want a quality job done at a fair price with flexability & proper back up service then they are going to have to pay more than £19 for a installation.
    However if they believe in the tooth fairy & father christmas, then they might believe a quality install can be done for £19 & that sky boxes are really free !

    All of us want a good deal & I’m the same as everyone else in that respect, but I feel some kind of reality check is needed here.

    Just like the cut price switchover service, I expect that I will pick up some service / repair work on the back of this !

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  37. admin Says:

    I can understand it from your position Mark given you are an installer offering a true value service. How Tesco/Euro Aerials deal with this tiny margin is unknown, so naturally we’d welcome feedback from those that take up the deal. If you get some work (repairs) off the back of it, that would be great :)

    It is the same as those small shops no longer able to compete on booze as the supermarkets sell at a loss; and like online retailers who can’t match prices of those clearing stock at a loss; it is a pain. Have noticed that Panasonic are pulling their products off Amazon for a similar reason; they don’t want them devalued to such tiny margins.

    PS – just laughed when I noticed your email address domain ;)

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  38. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Neil,

    This sort of job is quite straight forward & labour is purely your hourly rate x how many hours it will take to run all the cable runs(different every property) plus a couple of hours to set up the switch & 15mins on each outlet to install patress box & faceplates, make sure you use bsi/ cai benchmarked copper(braid) / copper(foil) / copper(stinger) full size co-ax & make sure you comply with all earthing regs for a commercial property. Many owners dont want to pay for proper cable & / or earthing as it dosent really affect picture quality, but if you neglect these things it could come back & bite you ! If the cable runs vary a lot in length you may want to buy a stepped output switch.
    Good luck !

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  39. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Admin,

    The irony of that isn’t lost on me ! :-)

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  40. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said: Absolutely understand you, but the installation company are working on the basis that most of the purchases won’t lead to an installation, or only require an LNB upgrade. It is a huge risk for them, but great deal for the customer.

    Why would you make his purchase if you didn’t need an install. It’s not logical. Sky MK4 quad LNB’s are less than £5 and are a straight swop for single LNB’s. They even have the skew pre set and don’t need amalgamating tape on the connectors because they have a built in weather shield that slides down. Fair enough if your dish is three floors up or on a chimney but other wise no.

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  41. Neil Says:

    Mark Aberfan Aerials said:
    Hi Neil,
    This sort of job is quite straight forward & labour is purely your hourly rate x how many hours it will take to run all the cable runs(different every property) plus a couple of hours to set up the switch & 15mins on each outlet to install patress box & faceplates, make sure you use bsi/ cai benchmarked copper(braid) / copper(foil) / copper(stinger) full size co-ax & make sure you comply with all earthing regs for a commercial property. Many owners dont want to pay for proper cable & / or earthing as it dosent really affect picture quality, but if you neglect these things it could come back & bite you ! If the cable runs vary a lot in length you may want to buy a stepped output switch.
    Good luck !
    Mark Aberfan Aerials

    Cheers Mark. Yep, I’d only ever use CT100, they are all in the region of 10mtrs max (depending where I strategically locate the switch). I gave thought to the earthing too which is a necessity.

    I see where your coming from too in regards to profit margins on the Freesat installations, I think Tesco must have got these units cheaper than RRP and must be paying Euro more then £19 per install.

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  42. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Admin,

    Its funny you should mention Panasonic, one of the retailers I’ve worked with for many years, who specialised in Panasonic Kit closed up shop 2 weeks ago after 74 years trading as a family business, it was the oldest shop in the town.They were a proper shop that didnt just shift boxes but provided proper product knowledge & proper service, I asked the owner why & he replied that places like supermarkets were selling the goods cheaper than he can buy them for, so it was only a matter of time. Its a great shame for the people of that valley as they no longer have any truly knowledgeable people on their doorstop to resolve there tech problems .
    I’m not against supermarkets ,we use them every week, but destroying a whole skillset, to run as a loss leader is a terrible loss to all involved, once they’ve got the monopoly I’d bet against them continuing to sell these things as a loss leader !

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  43. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Why would you make his purchase if you didn’t need an install. It’s not logical. Sky MK4 quad LNB’s are less than £5 and are a straight swop for single LNB’s. They even have the skew pre set and don’t need amalgamating tape on the connectors because they have a built in weather shield that slides down. Fair enough if your dish is three floors up or on a chimney but other wise no.

    There is no logic, I agree, but you’d be surprised!

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  44. Neil Says:

    Most retailers won’t sell a Mk4 LNB for a fiver though, only those in the know can get them for that price (be it in the trade or if people hunt on ebay).

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  45. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Neil,

    When I asked a trade supplier how stuff was selling on ebay below the price I could buy it at the supplier in question, it was suggested to me that up to 60% of skys consumable van stock ends up on ebay, I have even seen stuff with skys distribution stickers on in the photo’s of the product on ebay ! I have to admit it made me laugh, but in all seriousness, how can a proper seller compete with someone who dosent have to pay for their stock !

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  46. Neil Says:

    Mark Aberfan Aerials said:
    Hi Neil,
    When I asked a trade supplier how stuff was selling on ebay below the price I could buy it at the supplier in question, it was suggested to me that up to 60% of skys consumable van stock ends up on ebay, I have even seen stuff with skys distribution stickers on in the photo’s of the product on ebay ! I have to admit it made me laugh, but in all seriousness, how can a proper seller compete with someone who dosent have to pay for their stock !
    Mark Aberfan Aerials

    I can believe that happens, I’ve spoken to a couple of ex-Sky installers and heard a few stories. Drums of shotgun Sky spec Co-ax are also sold very cheap I’ve noticed!

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  47. admin Says:

    Mark Aberfan Aerials said:
    Hi Neil,
    When I asked a trade supplier how stuff was selling on ebay below the price I could buy it at the supplier in question, it was suggested to me that up to 60% of skys consumable van stock ends up on ebay, I have even seen stuff with skys distribution stickers on in the photo’s of the product on ebay ! I have to admit it made me laugh, but in all seriousness, how can a proper seller compete with someone who dosent have to pay for their stock !
    Mark Aberfan Aerials

    Won’t happen for long as Sky no longer supply their installers with free kit, they must buy it. Quad LNB’s however continue to be supplied to agents with digiboxes, so they’ll no doubt continue to be available for only a few quid! Having said that, the whole supply is drying up, so prices will start to rise.

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  48. Paul Says:

    Anyone received their boxes, and made the call yet? Curious to if anyone has had any ‘official’ quotes for extra work such as additional room wires, or dual/quad lnbs and such?

    I’m picking mine up from supermarket around lunch time.

    Will probably call them shortly after returning home, but daughters birthday so probably be pestered for most of the day :)

    Will likely ask them over the phone for the official price out of curiosity, but probably go down the cash-in-hand route to the guy thats doing the work, so he gets it (and I get a better deal hopefully)

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  49. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said:
    Most retailers won’t sell a Mk4 LNB for a fiver though, only those in the know can get them for that price (be it in the trade or if people hunt on ebay).

    I got one on Ebay for £4.75 recently. Also I noticed 100m drums of sky spec twin shotgun wire on there for £15.

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  50. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: I got one on Ebay for £4.75 recently. Also I noticed 100m drums of sky spec twin shotgun wire on there for £15.

    Bargain!! I paid about £8+VAT for a Mk4 quad and £50+VAT for 100mtrs of CT100 shotgun (trade), will keep an eye on ebay!! Hey, at least if Rupert is subsidising cable that can only be a good thing to save a few quid!!

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  51. Neil Says:

    Bit of interesting news; looks like Scripps have bought The Travel Channel. Maybe it will now finally appear on the platform (and also go 16:9)??

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  52. Neil Says:

    Link: http://www.c21media.net/archives/788…m_medium=email

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  53. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said: Bargain!! I paid about £8+VAT for a Mk4 quad and £50+VAT for 100mtrs of CT100 shotgun (trade), will keep an eye on ebay!! Hey, at least if Rupert is subsidising cable that can only be a good thing to save a few quid!!

    It was actually £24.99 (plus postage) for 100mtrs not £15. That was for 50mtrs.
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100M-WHITE-SHOTGUN-TWIN-COAX-CABLE-4-FREEVIEW-SKY-SKY-HD-/290683648084?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item43ae187854#ht_2225wt_754

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  54. Harry Firth Says:

    Ordered yesterday expecting delivery today. I am although concerned i have not recieved a confirmation email. Checked my account and the money has been take, therfore a binding contract and acceptance by tesco to provide said offer. Just checked online to fine offer vanished? Is this another case for Ann Robinson’s Watch Dog? (seems they are getting a habit of advertising false offers). I am awaiting a responce from Tesco…will update shortly.
    Has any one actually recieved said offer from Tesco?

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  55. admin Says:

    Harry Firth said:
    Ordered yesterday expecting delivery today. I am although concerned i have not recieved a confirmation email. Checked my account and the money has been take, therfore a binding contractand acceptance by tesco to provide said offer. Just checked online to fine offer vanished? Is this another case for Ann Robinson’s Watch Dog? (seems they are getting a habit of advertising false offers). I am awaiting a responce from Tesco…will update shortly.
    Has any one actually recieved said offer from Tesco?

    There has been a large amount of uptake on this offer after it featured on a few big discount sites (some copying my content and not acknowledging…buggers!), surprised it has gone out of stock so soon though; hopefully your order is going through.

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  56. Paul Says:

    i’ve just picked order up from Tesco today….just walked through the door so about to open it up etc in moment.

    I expect they’ll probably get stock in again soon enough.

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  57. Paul Says:

    opened up outer packaging.

    Theres a red sleeve around the main box, saying

    “Please call 08448470248 to arrange a convenient day for dish installation.

    NB – You will need to call this number within 4 weeks of purchase date to qualify for this installation. You can then arrange your chosen installation date at any convenient time…..etc etc waffle

    The definition of “Standard Install” is as follows:
    - Will include a “Zone 1″ 43cm dish for installations in England and Wales or “Zone 2″, 60cm disch with single LNB for customers in Scotland or Quad LNB upgrade if the customer has an existing dish present
    - Will use up to 20m of coaxial cable
    - Dish will be installed to gutter level on the property and be limited to properties of up to 3 storeys.
    - a bit more waffle
    - All other non-standard installations will be priced either when booking is made by the customer or when the installation takes place seperately by Euro Arials directly to the customer.
    - more waffle
    - please see inside box for full set of details.

    So yup, single LNB it is. Concern will be 20m….tho not sure realistically how far that will go around our house (south facing rear garden – regular sized mid-terrace house) – presume must be an £x per metre type thing going on there.

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  58. admin Says:

    Thanks for posting the information. How do they confirm you are eligible for installation, is there a unique reference number?

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  59. Paul Says:

    it says you have to give your Tesco Order or receipt number, which they then confirm before coming….and you then have to show it when they arrive before they carry out the install too.

    My mobile doesn’t allow me to call 0844 numbers, so going to have to shoot over to parents house to call it – forever more hurdles

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  60. Richard Crichton Says:

    Harry Firth said:
    Ordered yesterday expecting delivery today. I am although concerned i have not recieved a confirmation email. Checked my account and the money has been take, therfore a binding contractand acceptance by tesco to provide said offer. Just checked online to fine offer vanished? Is this another case for Ann Robinson’s Watch Dog? (seems they are getting a habit of advertising false offers). I am awaiting a responce from Tesco…will update shortly.
    Has any one actually recieved said offer from Tesco?

    The offer is still online but it says “Sorry, this is temporarily out of stock.”

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  61. Paul Says:

    well I just nipped over to parents house to call and arrange.

    Install is happening next thursday morning.

    I asked about the price to add a 2nd room to be wired up.

    Their price is £48 inc VAT.

    Not sure how reasonable that is in the grand scheme of things. Especially compared to the bargain £90 I paid which includeds physical items, being the dish, receiver box etc it doesnt seem so good

    Wonder what the likelyhood is of cash-in-hand for the fella doing the work.

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  62. admin Says:

    Because of the losses the installation company are no doubt going to experience on any install they carry out, chances are this price will be over-inflated as an additional revenue stream to make up the difference. You might get a better deal offering the installer cash in hand, unless they are ‘company loyal’ but unlikely with how little they probably get paid per install.

    If you did it yourself, you’d probably pay £5 for a quad LNB, plus £10 for a run of 10-20 metres of decent cable, plus £2 for plugs and clips…might be worth a diy job, it is straight forward.

    (having said that, i need to get an installer out soon because I don’t have a ladder big enough or a long enough masonary drill bit :D)

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  63. steve 1 Says:

    Paul you can call that number on a mobile but its cheaper using land line .if he uses more than 20m of cable you would just be charged the extra its still a cracking deal just give him a back hand

    Paul said:
    it says you have to give your Tesco Order or receipt number, which they then confirm before coming….and you then have to show it when they arrive before they carry out the install too.
    My mobile doesn’t allow me to call 0844 numbers, so going to have to shoot over to parents house to call it – forever more hurdles

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  64. Neil Says:

    Paul said:
    well I just nipped over to parents house to call and arrange.
    Install is happening next thursday morning.
    I asked about the price to add a 2nd room to be wired up.
    Their price is £48 inc VAT.
    Not sure how reasonable that is in the grand scheme of things.Especially compared to the bargain £90 I paid which includeds physical items, being the dish, receiver box etc it doesnt seem so good
    Wonder what the likelyhood is of cash-in-hand for the fella doing the work.

    I reckon you speak to the installer on the day as he’ll possibly do a deal for you cheaper on the day. He may have to come back at a later date if he’s on a time limit installation-wise (as these jobs are – Sky are very hot on this).

    Admin: Do you have an idea on how much unit stock Tesco had of the Manhattan nationally? It must have been a popular deal if they’ve shifted them all within three days.

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  65. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    Admin: Do you have an idea on how much unit stock Tesco had of the Manhattan nationally? It must have been a popular deal if they’ve shifted them all within three days.

    I don’t know sorry and probably couldn’t divuldge it even if I did. They might have just taken a small quantity to begin with to test it.

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  66. Paul Says:

    hi,

    yeah I think I’ll have to hope the installers are good for a back hander.

    My parents are coming over shortly to see the grandkids – and my dads usually good at DIY, but like ‘admin’ mentioned, we also don’t have a big ladder, and wouldn’t like to carry it over from the parents home – so maybe limited to either the £48 or whatever he’ll offer on the day

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  67. Neil Says:

    admin said: I don’t know sorry and probably couldn’t divuldge it even if I did. They might have just taken a small quantity to begin with to test it.

    No worries, just curious. Glad to know this offer has gone down well, guess Manhattan will appreciate it as it gets their brand name out domestically a bit more too.

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  68. Paul Says:

    I just emailed a local company, found from Google, enquiring about an ‘existing single lnb’ setup

    They wanted £35 for the LNB and £35 for the 2nd room, so in that respect, 48 doesn’t seem as bad….but still a premium vs what paid for the main deal

    It makes me wonder if I should try to get a 2nd box for £90 from Tesco, and either have 2 dishes on the house, or sell on the 2nd box lol

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  69. Neil Says:

    Paul said:
    I just emailed a local company, found from Google, enquiring about an ‘existing single lnb’ setup
    They wanted £35 for the LNB and £35 for the 2nd room, so in that respect, 48 doesn’t seem as bad….but still a premium vs what paid for the main deal
    It makes me wonder if I should try to get a 2nd box for £90 from Tesco, and either have 2 dishes on the house, or sell on the 2nd box lol

    How about you buy one box, get the first installation as standard (single LNB), then two weeks later activate the installation on your second box and get a quad LNB fitted and feed to a second room if they’ll fit that?? Where abouts are you?

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  70. Paul Says:

    I’m in the North East, Teesside area

    Well I suppose I could in theory buy a 2nd box, at around £90 presuming they come back in stock again that is, but then by the time I’d sold on the 2nd box there’d probably be very little saving in it, if any, and more faffing about.

    Only need the 1 box (up in bedroom), as downstairs tv has a freesat tuner built in and can record etc. The TV downstairs does get standard SD freeview at the moment, whereas upstairs gets nothing at all due to no arial at all up there.

    So decisions are:
    1) Have them install freesat HD upstairs in bedroom, and stick with SD freeview downstairs (until HD finally rolls out here). Perhaps then do a manual install of a quad LNB at a later date. Would be a shame to only get HD channels in bedroom mind, where TV wouldn’t often be used anyway

    2) Pay the £48 (or whatever back hander on the day) to get cables added to both rooms

    While I’m sure £48 is probably actually a reasonable price, not overly expensive in the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn’t feel it to me, just because of the bargain price we paid for the original deal itself, so basically paying an extra 50% on top of the total price for a bit more cable added (about 12m needed) aned a £6 lnb.

    Maybe I’m just getting too super tight in my old age lol

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  71. Neil Says:

    I reckon you’d get it cheaper than £48 if you do a cash in hand deal on the day, remember if he’s got a few Quad LNB’s and runs a quick cable run the money is going directly in his pocket and not back to his employer (which he won’t see anyway)? If I were doing this sort of work full time I’d buy my own shotgun cable and carry my own funded spares to do these sort of things, thus not ‘raiding’ the resources supplied to me!!

    If you were local to me in Manchester I’d happily do it for you for less than that as I’ve got a Horizon HDSM meter, cable and access to hardware at trade prices.

    I’d say go with the flow as is and see what deal you can strike for the quad and extra run on the day. He might run you a dual shotgun feed to your lounge so you’d be Freesat+ PVR ready too!

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  72. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    If you were local to me in Manchester I’d happily do it for you for less than that as I’ve got a Horizon HDSM meter, cable and access to hardware at trade prices.

    Get down to me with some ladders, I’ll pay you with biscuits!

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  73. Paul Says:

    lol………..M&S Biscuits i hope?

    Yep shame never lived nearer.

    Mind, I’ve had a few quotes from local companies now, and each so far has been in region of 60-75quids…….though fair enough when that is a callout charge too I guess.

    I never really thought of having a shotgun cable going to main room – but might be worth it I guess, for future use/possibilities…so maybe ask about that too :)

    Can do nothing but wait til next thursday now I guess and hope the lad that comes to do the work likes earning a few tax free notes :)

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  74. admin Says:

    Freesat biscuits!

    If they route a single cable through and the path isn’t that difficult, you could always introduce WF65 cable at a later date, as it is twin but only slightly bigger in dimension than single cable, so usually goes through the same hole int he wall etc; just don’t use it over 20 metres in length.

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  75. jamie Says:

    hi, just wondered, I have a sd box and want to upgrade to a hd box..Do i need a different dish or is sd and hd sat dishes the same…many thanks

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  76. Russ Says:

    jamie said:
    hi, just wondered, I have a sd box and want to upgrade to a hd box..Do i need a different dish or is sd and hd sat dishes the same…many thanks

    Your existing dish will work fine,

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  77. monkeymagic Says:

    Installed my own dish, lnb, cable, then used my computer and browsed Freesat Dish alignment & set up, only took about 2 hours from fitting dish to setting up the Humax box, Done.

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  78. Neil Says:

    admin said:
    Freesat biscuits!

    Are they actually freesat branded?? I’m still also trying to get my hands on some Ofcom bottled spring water, a collectors item for those who’ve ever been to Riverside House. Believe me, it does exist!

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  79. admin Says:

    Neil said:
    Are they actually freesat branded??

    ermmm, sure!

    (just got to go and get a stanley knife…other brands are available!!!)

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  80. Neil Says:

    admin said: ermmm, sure!
    (just got to go and get a stanley knife…other brands are available!!!)

    Thought you might have picked them up whilst on a jolly!!

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  81. admin Says:

    Neil said: Thought you might have picked them up whilst on a jolly!!

    A jolly, blimey, I wish, I’ve worked every day (apart from Christmas day) since my last holiday in 2005!

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  82. steve 1 Says:

    I hope the inland revenue dont look at this site!

    Paul said:
    lol………..M&S Biscuits i hope?
    Yep shame never lived nearer.
    Mind, I’ve had a few quotes from local companies now, and each so far has been in region of 60-75quids…….though fair enough when that is a callout charge too I guess.
    I never really thought of having a shotgun cable going to main room – but might be worth it I guess, for future use/possibilities…so maybe ask about that too
    Can do nothing but wait til next thursday now I guess and hope the lad that comes to do the work likes earning a few tax free notes

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  83. steve 1 Says:

    I really think a freesat magazine is a good idea with latest news plus tv guide etc but free paid for by advertising.I think it would be good for the freesat brand.

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  84. Paul Says:

    I’ve just read this, which someone posted on another site

    I collected mine today and called the installation line to ask for the cost of upgrading to a quad LNB, and running two additional cables to a room where i’d eventually like a dual channel humax pvr. Their price was an extra £144 !!!

    ouchy – and I thought my £48 quote was bad – maybe my mind misheard, a 1 in front of the 48

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  85. Neil Says:

    Paul said:
    I’ve just read this, which someone posted on another site

    I collected mine today and called the installation line to ask for the cost of upgrading to a quad LNB, and running two additional cables to a room where i’d eventually like a dual channel humax pvr. Their price was an extra £144 !!!

    ouchy – and I thought my £48 quote was bad – maybe my mind misheard, a 1 in front of the 48

    £144 is steep, reckon you’d be best off waiting to see what negotiation you can do next week.

    Admin: How soon do you need your dish sorting?? I’ll send you an email shortly!

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  86. Alex (Tesco) Says:

    Hi all,

    For your information there is more stock available of this deal and is currently en-route to our Tesco Direct warehouse- available soon. It is also currently in the majority of Tesco Extra stores in the London area.

    Thanks,

    Alex

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  87. Paul Says:

    A guy just phoned up and booked his install , and asked for me, for a Quad LNB + 2nd Wire.

    He was told £90. So either the prices are varying depend on who you speak with…..or my initial quote of £48 was wrong and the woman may have thought I only wanted the extra wiring (maybe presumed I had a dish already – even tho I said)

    Either way….90 is way way too much, when literally can get a box and whole new install for that

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  88. Paul Says:

    I wonder, if you were to buy a 2nd box package, if you could insist on them installing a 2nd dish, rather than putting an quad LNB upgrade on existing one. That way, I’m guessing in future (with my v limited knowledge), that you could have a go at repointing one of the other dishes to a different satellite in the future if you fancied a play about

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  89. Neil Says:

    Paul, your going to get standard quotations if you ask officially, you really are best asking on the day. If he comes back and tells you it’s going to cost more than £50 then the second box/install option is a possibility. If you buy a second box and speak to them in a few weeks I’m sure they’d run feeds down to your lounge and fit the quad. Yep, it is another £90 but your getting not only the extra installation but a second STB out of it too.

    If I were to get a call requesting this, swapping out an existing LNB + running cabling in (dual Shotgun) local to me I’d be charging about £45 including my travel, it would take less than an hour for a standard cable run. If I were already doing the installation at whatever agreed price (for a single LNB) and then was asked about a Quad and extra run, I’d probably only charge about an extra £25 all-in as my travel and the job covered by the existing price.

    In this game there’s a lot of wheeling and dealing and your best seeing what deal you can strike on the day! He might put you a quad in together with a dual feed downstairs and possibly another room off the 4th LNB port if you wanted it?

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  90. Saltydawg Says:

    Now that Scripps has bought the Travel channel, I wonder if it will launch on Freesat? Understand Scripps was instrumental in getting the Food Network onto Freessat. Fingers crossed

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  91. Paul Says:

    thanks Neil,

    yes definately best to wait until the day….though been interesting to read peoples price quotes they’ve been receiving for the work. But basically anything above £50 then I’d definately go down the 2nd box route (stock levels/dealrunning provided), between 40-50 or so then I’ll prob think about it a little bit more as to just have a go at doing it myself without breaking my neck :), anything below then yeah I’ll def go for it

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  92. admin Says:

    Getting another pack might be a good idea, you’ll probably sell the receiver for £60, so approx £30 paid. I suspect if you tell the installer that instead of installing the second dish, he just runs the cable to your second room and installs a quad, then keeps the dish himself, he’ll do it.

    However, I reckon on Thursday the installer will do the extra work for £20! ;)

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  93. Paul Says:

    fingers crossed :)

    As I’ve never normally had to do things like this like – should I be discreet or just blatant about it lol

    Don’t want to come across as a bit of k*** when I bring it up lol :) Just ask for how much first, then how much if cash in hand (if it sounds like an official price)? Or not even bring that up?

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  94. admin Says:

    Just tell him you’d like to get a second run of cable installed and if he’s willing, you’ll pay cash in hand as it is cheaper than doing it through the company. I doubt you’ll get a jobsworth in the installation industry these days. Just make sure you mention it at the start so they can plan it correctly.

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  95. Paul Says:

    cool – will do – thanks for the pointers – much appreciated

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  96. Neil Says:

    Paul said:
    cool – will do – thanks for the pointers – much appreciated

    Keep us all posted. I think you’ll get what your after at a reasonable price within your expectations. Mention it before he starts the job as it’s easier to do it all in one go!

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  97. Harry Says:

    Finally arrived today, booked installation next Wednesday. Going to get the guy to fit a Quad and extra run, ive bought the humax FOXSAT- HDR for the lounge (finally decided to stop paying virgin £80 a month) and use the manhattan in my bedroom. See what he charges….

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  98. Paul Says:

    will do :) and thanks again

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  99. Al (Original) Says:

    Neil said:
    Paul, your going to get standard quotations if you ask officially, you really are best asking on the day. If he comes back and tells you it’s going to cost more than £50 then the second box/install option is a possibility. If you buy a second box and speak to them in a few weeks I’m sure they’d run feeds down to your lounge and fit the quad. Yep, it is another £90 but your getting not only the extra installation but a second STB out of it too.
    If I were to get a call requesting this, swapping out an existing LNB + running cabling in (dual Shotgun) local to me I’d be charging about £45 including my travel, it would take less than an hour for a standard cable run. If I were already doing the installation at whatever agreed price (for a single LNB) and then was asked about a Quad and extra run, I’d probably only charge about an extra £25 all-in as my travel and the job covered by the existing price.
    In this game there’s a lot of wheeling and dealing and your best seeing what deal you can strike on the day! He might put you a quad in together with a dual feed downstairs and possibly another room off the 4th LNB port if you wanted it?

    Thing is why run shotgun cable?

    If they’ll put an extra LNB on what’s wrong with just having a 2nd single cable pegged to the wall parallel to the 1st for the downstairs installation? Not sure I understand all of the drama with the cable in having shotgun cable and then separating it out to separate rooms in the house. Surely 2 single cables is easier to route and if pegged parallel just as neat.

    …and if it is for a 2nd installation in another room, surely on a purchase, they’ll fit the quad and run a length of single cable to the other room. After all for them its cheaper than fitting a dish as well and if the installer is on small margins, every £5 dish counts.

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  100. admin Says:

    Al, I think the point might just have been that installing a twin cable from the off is a good way of future proofing your room for an upgrade to a PVR at a later date, rather than using a twin cable to split off into different rooms.

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  101. Neil Says:

    Al: I was suggesting that if a new dish install then just running a single cable to the lounge along with a single cable to another room (as per the standard installation offer) wouldn’t be as beneficial than running a dual shotgun run. Yep, I agree that if a single feed exists from a dish already then another single run of CT100 to complement it and provide a dual feed is adequate.

    I notice from Alex (Tesco)’s comments that there’s plenty more stock on the way which is good. They are concentrating on London stores which makes perfect sense at the moment as London is about to start DSO in the next few weeks and affects 9.8m people! Getting people on to Freesat at DSO is a good way of pushing the platform.

    Talking of ladders I’m off up one now in this nice sunshine… to fix a broken roof tile though, not a dish!!

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  102. Mark B Says:

    Saltydawg said:
    Now that Scripps has bought the Travel channel, I wonder if it will launch on Freesat?Understand Scripps was instrumental in getting the Food Network onto Freessat. Fingers crossed

    I hope so! I never understood why Travel Channel wasn’t on Freesat from the start. The Travel Channel is 18 years old, and has been free to air since the start. There would have been no loss to the owners to get it on Freesat (tiny fee) but expand it’s advertising audience (higher income). I must surely be missing something?

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  103. Fluffy Says:

    Tesco is a company. An ‘it’, not a ‘they.’ It should be Tesco offers, not Tesco offer

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  104. Fluffy Says:

    “Tesco have today launched their Freesat HD bundle, which comprises of the fantastic Manhattan Plaza HD-S, as well as basic installation, all for just £99.97.”

    “Tesco has…..”

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  105. Neil Says:

    Mark B said: I hope so! I never understood why Travel Channel wasn’t on Freesat from the start. The Travel Channel is 18 years old, and has been free to air since the start.There would have been no loss to the owners to get it on Freesat (tiny fee) but expand it’s advertising audience (higher income). I must surely be missing something?

    Me likewise! It must be one of the last remaining decent factual channels with some interesting content missing from the platform. It’s odd why they’ve not joined so far but I’m sure now Scripps own the channel they’ll see sense and tap in to the ever growing audience.

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  106. admin Says:

    Thanks for the English lessons Fluffy ;)

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  107. Richard Crichton Says:

    Mark B said: I hope so! I never understood why Travel Channel wasn’t on Freesat from the start. The Travel Channel is 18 years old, and has been free to air since the start.There would have been no loss to the owners to get it on Freesat (tiny fee) but expand it’s advertising audience (higher income). I must surely be missing something?

    If you have a Manhattan it makes little difference to the viewer whether it’s on Freesat or not. Just store it as a favorite. That’s the beauty of the Plaza HD-S. Easy non Freesat viewing without having to delve into a setup menu every time.

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  108. Paul Says:

    Just discovered this info on the “non-freesat” FTA channels.

    Is there a list anywhere of these non-freesat channels that should be able to add manually? Only one I know of is Sky News (and seemingly the Travel Channel going by above comments)

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  109. roger mellie Says:

    Paul said: Just discovered this info on the “non-freesat” FTA channels.Is there a list anywhere of these non-freesat channels that should be able to add manually? Only one I know of is Sky News (and seemingly the Travel Channel going by above comments)

    Paul, check out- http://www.en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php- gives you a precise list of all free-to-air “non-freesat” channels you can receive. Hope this helps, most are asian/foreign/religious etc but you can get the odd wee gem.

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  110. Neil Says:

    Paul said:
    Just discovered this info on the “non-freesat” FTA channels.
    Is there a list anywhere of these non-freesat channels that should be able to add manually?Only one I know of is Sky News (and seemingly the Travel Channel going by above comments)

    There’s a posting admin made about it listing all the available (decent) FTA channels, for the transmission parameters take a look at http://www.linowsat.de or http://www.kingofsat.net

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  111. Paul Says:

    thanks – dropped the www bit and link works (in case anyone else uses link.

    so basically anything that has ‘clear’ in encryption – should be able to get, for example Travel Channel and Fitness TV

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  112. admin Says:

    Paul said:
    Just discovered this info on the “non-freesat” FTA channels.
    Is there a list anywhere of these non-freesat channels that should be able to add manually?Only one I know of is Sky News (and seemingly the Travel Channel going by above comments)

    Paul, I spent days worth on this post, which will help you out:

    http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/encourage-fta-ftv-channels-to-join-freesat

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  113. Alex (Tesco) Says:

    Hi all,

    This is now back in stock and you can see it on the new and improved Tesco Direct website that launched today!

    Thanks,

    Alex

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  114. admin Says:

    Alex (Tesco) said:
    Hi all,
    This is now back in stock and you can see it on the new and improved Tesco Direct website that launched today!
    Thanks,
    Alex

    Good news, and the “freesat” search works now too ;)

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  115. Paul Says:

    thanks for the extra links – will come in very handy :)

    Only 3 days to go!!! :)

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  116. steve 1 Says:

    It would be good if the other supermarkets do something similar no wonder they are the biggest this is ground breaking it would keep prices even lower

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  117. Paul Says:

    Harry said:
    Finally arrived today, booked installation next Wednesday. Going to get the guy to fit a Quad and extra run, ive bought the humax FOXSAT- HDR for the lounge (finally decided to stop paying virgin £80 a month) and use the manhattan in my bedroom. See what he charges….

    did you get your install yet Harry? Curious to know what he wanted to charge? :)

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  118. Harry Says:

    Paul said: did you get your install yet Harry?Curious to know what he wanted to charge?

    Hi Paul
    NO!!!! Engineer didnt turn up after 4 phone calls today. They promised to turn up at 7.30 tomorrom…. Hope so Virgin is due to be disconnected tomorrow. I will update you…

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  119. Paul Says:

    well thats not promising lol.

    Hope thts an exception to the rule.

    I had a call today from the guy, saying he’ll be over sometime between 11 and 1 I think it was….so all hopefully ok.

    Did you get a call the day before?

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  120. steve 1 Says:

    It is eye watering how much people pay over a year to virgin and sky there is only some much tv you can watch in a week unless you are Jim royal!

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  121. steve 1 Says:

    Admin on channel 999 it said there was work going on for ch4hd for improvements what was this actually for?

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  122. admin Says:

    steve 1 said:
    Admin on channel 999 it said there was work going on for ch4hd for improvements what was this actually for?

    It was a frequency change happening over night which required an update scan to receive. Might be a few people complaining today they can’t receive it but just need to do a scan.

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  123. Harry Firth Says:

    Finally, Guy really nice appologised for not turning up yesterday. Arrived at 7am today fitted fit a Quad and extra run for an additional £35.00 Inc Vat. Would’nt do it off the books, as it was a big contract deal with Tesco’s but for that price who cares….
    Im now officially a freesatter!

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  124. admin Says:

    For those interested, here is an image of the installation sleeve attached to the Manhattan box. Sorry for the quality but it was taken on a phone and the redness has drained all the focus away from the writing!

    http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp321/joinfreesat/tesco-euroaerials-installation.jpg

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  125. admin Says:

    Harry Firth said:
    Finally, Guy really nice appologised for not turning up yesterday. Arrived at 7am today fitted fit a Quad and extra run for an additional £35.00 Inc Vat. Would’nt do it off the books, as it was a big contract deal with Tesco’s but for that price who cares….
    Im now officially a freesatter!

    Welcome and thanks for letting us know how it went.

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  126. Paul Says:

    Harry Firth said:
    Finally, Guy really nice appologised for not turning up yesterday. Arrived at 7am today fitted fit a Quad and extra run for an additional £35.00 Inc Vat. Would’nt do it off the books, as it was a big contract deal with Tesco’s but for that price who cares….
    Im now officially a freesatter!

    thanks for letting us know. 35 all inc is pretty reasonable…..wonder why I got quoted amount of £48 over the phone, and why someone else got told £90 for the same work over phone. I only live in small area of Teesside, not in some premium priced area like London etc where they could perhaps get away with charging more.

    Unless he just told you it was on the books :)

    due anytime in next hour or so, so hopefully all good

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  127. Harry Firth Says:

    Paul said: thanks for letting us know. 35 all inc is pretty reasonable…..wonder why I got quoted amount of £48 over the phone, and why someone else got told £90 for the same work over phone. I only live in small area of Teesside, not in some premium priced area like London etc where they could perhaps get away with charging more.Unless he just told you it was on the books due anytime in next hour or so, so hopefully all good

    No actually got a reciept, and warranty for additional work. He had an official price list for extras. I live near Leeds so not too far from you Paul…
    I wonder if the Telesales staff are on commission?

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  128. admin Says:

    Harry Firth said: No actually got a reciept, and warranty for additional work. He had an official price list for extras. I live near Leeds so not too far from you Paul…
    I wonder if the Telesales staff are on commission?

    They might subcontract out in certain areas.

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  129. Paul Says:

    hope the telesales staff aren’t on commision – might be a note on my account to say “£48″ now lol. Mind, some would need sacking then if trying to squeeze people for 90 and other random figures.

    How sad am I, but I actually feel anxious about the guy turning up lol

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  130. Paul Says:

    guy could be here any minute now – how exciting lol.

    Harry……was that ‘extra run’ to another room – or was it just a double shotgun or whatever to the same room?

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  131. Harry Firth Says:

    Paul said: guy could be here any minute now – how exciting lol.Harry……was that ‘extra run’ to another room – or was it just a double shotgun or whatever to the same room?

    Double shotgun to lounge and single run to bedroom next to dish, only a couple of meters of cable.
    Think the guy was subcontracted as he had no plain van no signs.

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  132. Paul Says:

    thanks Harry.

    time passing so slow while waiting for him to show :(

    Our bedroom is on opposite side, so think approx 15m to each should be needed with a bit of slack so possibly want a touch more. Wish they’d hurry up now lol – getting impatient

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  133. Paul Says:

    guys here now.

    Canny lad, but it was on the notes about being £48 :( wish I never asked on the phone now lol.

    Decided to leave it for now anyways, even he recommended just doing it myself (mind it is the last job of the day for him )

    Said its an old style dish quad LNB I’d need to get which looks like they’re just over £6 on amazon…

    Can anyone point me to the right type of cable I need for the outside? :)

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  134. admin Says:

    Paul said:
    Said its an old style dish quad LNB I’d need to get which looks like they’re just over £6 on amazon…
    Can anyone point me to the right type of cable I need for the outside? :)

    Is he installing the dish too, as surprised he is installing mk3 dishes and not mk4 given their availability (don’t worry, won’t affect anything for you, just the fitment is different).

    You need a quad LNB with a legacy clip.

    For cable, CT100 is ok, WF100 is much better.

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  135. Paul Says:

    yup he put the dish up – he’s gone now so its all upstairs and configured.

    So in next few days just have to get my dad to do it like. Did ask him about cash in hand etc but he’s only been with this company for a couple of weeks (prev a sky worker) so didnt want to tread on toes etc.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003MQG2HE/ref=nosim?tag=joinfreesat-21

    I take it this is the quad I need (hope its ok to link)? He said at the top there’s a clip to press down to release it (no need to use cable ties which I’ve seen in the videos, as thats more when people snap theres).

    Think I recall him saying too that they generally just use RG6 cable

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  136. admin Says:

    That LNB is fine, the spirit level adaptor is for mk4 dishes, the other adaptor is for mk2/3 dishes which is what it appears you have, probably made by Triax or Raven.

    RG6 is common with installers because it is cheap, but works ok. CT100 and WF100 much better.

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  137. Paul Says:

    okies thanks :)

    Will source out some suitable length cable.

    I have some old internal cables from Virgin/NTL installs – coax screw on ends. It possible do you know to just use the connectors from these, or better off getting new connectors too?

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  138. Paul Says:

    guessing better off getting new connectors – can’t pull the old virgin ones apart lol

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  139. admin Says:

    They are probably coaxial/rf ends, not f-plug ends. I’m at about the limitations of my technical knowledge though ;)

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  140. Paul Says:

    I think they’re the F-Plug type – as in screw on rather than push on…..but no matter – cost pittance to replace with 2 new ones.

    Stupid question – whats the names of the bracket clip nail thingybobs to secure the wire to the outside wall……trying to find them on fleabay and the likes but having no joy so far with my random naming lol

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  141. admin Says:

    satellite cable clips usually does the trick ;)

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  142. Paul Says:

    aah bingo – thats the one thanks lol – that was a chore

    I climbed onto my ladder which was luckily tall enough to see, and yup the lnb slides out very easily. A small plastic plug at the top, which just pull out….other than that, nothing secures it in, apart from some black tape holding the wire a bit tidier :)

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  143. admin Says:

    Yep, it is just a plastic clip and you’ll probably get another one with a new quad LNB too…infact you might get two given you need the legacy adaptor too!!! Just make sure when connecting the legacy clip to the LNB that it lines up with the skew numbers on the side, set to the middle (3 of 5); also when swapping out the existing LNB you don’t move the dish!

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  144. Paul Says:

    aah thanks for the pointer – notta clue what you mean about the skew numbers mind lol – but I’m sure it’ll make sense when I pull it out :)

    As for moving the dish….well I don’t think I did when I looked at it, but I daren’t switch the tv back on upstairs now lol

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  145. Paul Says:

    oh yeah.

    IIRC his signal thing while aligning was 100% or so he said.

    His run of RG6 cable was approximately 18metres I reckon – and the strength on the box said 86%. So the signal must be lost through the cheaper cable presumably

    Now for the front room, I reckon it will also be 18m at the most, well pretty much the same amount as he used…..so I’ll buy a 25 or 30m roll of it to allow for a bit of error etc. Would 2 x RG6 cables be fine for doing these sort of lengths, or with the quad LNB too would it add a bit too much interference/signal loss? So err yeah, basically what is an acceptable signal strength for satellite?

    I see RG6 cable is about 7.50 for 30m, CT/WF100 seems to be about £15

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  146. admin Says:

    86% signal is fine, loss is expected on longer runs of RG6.

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  147. Paul Says:

    decided to pay the bit extra for WF100….going to the main TV, so would probably regret it otherwise – plus after reading things like about using aluminium foil outside causing it to rot and nonsense like that on the cheap cables.

    Just looking at the F type connectors tho……is the end that connects to the LNB the same screw in type as the end that screws into the receiver? As I was looking at kdirect, and the default selection there was 1 x F connector and 1 x M connector….I’m guessing they’re both F types tho

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  148. admin Says:

    Yep, both ends f-plugs

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  149. Paul Says:

    thanks once more :)

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  150. Harry Says:

    had a play, On demand works perfect…Whats ‘BoxOffice365′ on 907?

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  151. admin Says:

    Harry said:
    had a play, On demand works perfect…Whats ‘BoxOffice365′ on 907?

    http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/freesat-offer-movie-streaming-service

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  152. Neil Says:

    Glad you got your dish sorted Paul. Just to add a quick bit of advice when fitting the F-Type plugs, ensure none of the outer braid shorts (stray strands not easily viable shorting with the centre conductor), also when swapping out the LNB for a quad ensure that care is taken not to use excessive force as it could affect dish alignment if the spigot/boom is inadvertently knocked.

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  153. Paul Says:

    cheers Neil.

    The existing LNB seemed to move pretty smoothly, so hopefully the new quad will be a comfortable fit too…but will be sure to take care on that.

    What happens of the outer braid shorts with the centre conductor? I presume it will basically screw up the whole signal quality? Do the F connectors attach to the cable pretty easily? Twist to tighten etc? All cables I’ve bought in past for Virgin use have always had the ends on already :) I did look at them Snap and Seal connectors but noticed a forum thread that said they were more for Cable viewers (guessing its for snapping to the device, rather than to the cable itself).

    Although I think I’d prob use about 15m of WF100, going to order 25m instead, to give me plenty of leeway just in case……..the cable comes with 4 F connectors so probably no point getting the seal snap ones anyway….does come with clips too but notta clue how many, but I could always get an extra packet later if needs be

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  154. admin Says:

    Paul, use these instructions, you’ll not go wrong with this advise from martin:

    http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm

    Just ignore the silicone grease part, not needed.

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  155. Paul Says:

    cheers – will do :)

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  156. steve 1 Says:

    I suppose you only need the grease for outside connectors and the inside the house its weather tight anyway.is that what you mean admin?

    admin said:
    Paul, use these instructions, you’ll not go wrong with this advise from martin:
    http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm
    Just ignore the silicone grease part, not needed.

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  157. admin Says:

    steve 1 said:
    I suppose you only need the grease for outside connectors and the inside the house its weather tight anyway.is that what you mean admin?

    No, it’s more a case of being able to easily screw on the f-plugs to the cable, but never found it a problem without.

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  158. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said:
    Paul, use these instructions, you’ll not go wrong with this advise from martin:
    http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm
    Just ignore the silicone grease part, not needed.

    IMHO to completely weatherproof the connections self amalgamating tape is highly recommended on the F connectors at the LNB even though Sky MK4′s have a slide down weather shield but forget the grease.

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  159. admin Says:

    Richard Crichton said: IMHO to completely weatherproof the connections self amalgamating tape is highly recommended on the F connectors at the LNB even though Sky MK4′s have a slide down weather shield but forget the grease.

    Agreed

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  160. Paul Says:

    LNB and cables and wotnot bought.

    Ok so is this “self amalgamating tape” the same as regular black masking tape? I’m guessing not, and that I should maybe buy a roll of it :)

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  161. admin Says:

    It is the same as insulation tape and usually found in the bottom of a tool box! If it has a strong waxy feel to it, it is waterproof tape and suitable. It only really goes around the f-plugs on the outside cable end, but as the LNB has a drop down cover, it doesn’t have to be perfect.

    Do take it serious though, I’ve seen a few occasions where water has run down the inner core of the cable and into the receiver and it makes a real mess!

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  162. Neil Says:

    Self Amalgamating tape is my best friend when it comes to sealing connectors!! Like admin says it’s a rubbery type tape which when wrapped around connectors gives a 100% watertight seal, something you just don’t get with regular insulation tape. I use it on numerous applications, F-Type plugs being one of them.

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  163. Paul Says:

    aaah – my dad should hopefully have a batch of insulating tape around his house – I’m not the type of person for having a toolbox lol….I do have some electrical tapes and the likes though….worst case if he hasn’t I’ll just order a strip of it.

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  164. Paul Says:

    and for the thick like me – guide on how to wrap it :D

    http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/self_amalg.htm

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  165. admin Says:

    Paul said:
    and for the thick like me – guide on how to wrap it :D
    http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/self_amalg.htm

    haha, Paul, I’m surprised you know how to get up in the morning :D

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  166. Paul Says:

    some mornings it takes some effort to remember

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  167. Neil Says:

    It’s pretty easy Paul once you get the knack. Just remember to exercise a little tension when applying it so you get a nice tight seal however don’t put too much stress on the LNB arm, as I previously mentioned, as it might affect alignment. Usually this wouldn’t be an issue but as you’ve not got a meter if it’s moved off alignment you’ll be stuck.

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  168. Al (Original) Says:

    admin said:
    It is the same as insulation tape and usually found in the bottom of a tool box! If it has a strong waxy feel to it, it is waterproof tape and suitable. It only really goes around the f-plugs on the outside cable end, but as the LNB has a drop down cover, it doesn’t have to be perfect.
    Do take it serious though, I’ve seen a few occasions where water has run down the inner core of the cable and into the receiver and it makes a real mess!

    Slapped wrists Admin. It’s not the same.

    Normal Insulating tape is PVC and the glue dries out after a while so it will fall off when used outside.

    Self amalgamating tape is a special tape that fuses and bonds to itself once wrapped so instead of having a would strip of tape what you end up with is a lump of tape where every layer is bonded to the one above and below it. This keeps it in place.

    Self amalgamating tape is the way to go if you don’t want to be re-wrapping the cable join every 6 months!

    Also, Paul if you want to find out the skew needed, enter your details into this site along with the correct sat: http://www.dishpointer.com/

    You should be able to find your exact house on the satellite picture even down to being able to see where on the wall the dish is located. Put the marker there and it tells you the alignment co-ordinates (not needed in your case as the dish is up) and also the skew for the LNB.

    Skew is as simple as giving the LNB a small twist in the right direction.

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  169. Richard Crichton Says:

    If I were an installer and I had a smart phone I would be getting the DishPointer Augmented Reality app no question.

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  170. Mark Aberfan Aerials Says:

    Hi Richard,

    My son has had this app on his android phone for a year or so, when doing a motorised its great to make sure the line of site is clear over the whole arc, but we’ve never needed on a basic Astra 28.2, dish setup, I would think it would help DIY’ers as I’ve had to go to quite a few customers that spent a couple of days trying to line up a dish to find it mounted on a north facing wall or bang in front of a tree etc.

    Mark Aberfan Aerials

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  171. Paul Says:

    thanks – guess I best get some of that amalgamating tape ordered – about £1 for a metre it seems if just want a small strip

    For future reference for myself, : -11.7° skew :)

    I take it theres some sort of marker on the lnb of angles for adjusting?

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  172. Paul Says:

    aaah just over £3 for 10m of the stuff on amazon – thats better than the ebay route :)

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  173. Paul Says:

    oops my bad…only £3+ on ebay for 10m too – gawd knows what I was looking at before then

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  174. Paul Says:

    well…..most bits came on wednesday. Only waiting on the amalgamating tape.

    Seeing as the new quad has a sheath on it, figured for a few days, regular electrical tape should be fine….so swapped the LNB over, and tested it with the existing box…..all fine :) Did have a brown pants moment when I headbutted the LNB while going up again tho thinking might’ve knocked the dish :) Signal strength 94% with the new LNB vs 80odd on the old one, on their RG6 cable. Though I suspect thats because the other one was very loosely tightened.

    Just have to try to convince my father to come to house now so he can figure out how to drill how into wall/where for the 2nd WF100 cable to go into the front room :) Then I’ll just swap the tape over with amalgamating stuff when it finally arrives

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  175. admin Says:

    Glad you’ve sorted it Paul :)

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  176. Paul Says:

    thanks :)

    Finally got round to scanning for the non freesat channels…and it found loads – so need to go through and delete a boatload of the duplicate and extreme-tosh ones.

    Can’t seem to see Channel 5 HD on there mind? Is that definately still a FTA so should pick it up? Prob get better results on a manual tune perhaps.

    One weird thing is like – every time I’ve flicked over to Channel 4 HD….the picture quality on that has been ridiculously bad. Mind, I haven’t tried it much yet…..and the stuff on at the time were old 80s movies or very old shows etc….but it had a massive ghosting blur effect, like a really bad VCD effect played. Other HD channels never looked bad like that, so really hoping its just the content.

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  177. admin Says:

    Channel 5 HD is ftv, only available via Sky, so not yet available to you.

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  178. Paul Says:

    aaah my bad – surprising though – must learn the differences with FTA and FTV next :)

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  179. Paul Says:

    well isn’t that typical.

    Just been putting in the 2nd cable to the dish, and tacking it to wall etc….and used the electrical tape in the quad LNB. Its been pinned to the wall round to the front where I now need to wait for my dad to come over to house with his tools and drill a hole into wall (going to make the hole that Virgin use for our broadband a bit wider/next to it to keep it tidier)

    So took ladders back to neighbours, put all junk etc away…then within 2 minutes of sitting down with cuppa, the postman comes and delivers the soddin’ self amalgamating tape!

    reckon its worth replacing the electrical tape with amalgamating sooner rather than later? Or just wait till if/when it fails?

    With it being a quad lnb it has the hood pulled down so giving it extra protection.

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  180. admin Says:

    Since been corrected on the difference between amalgamating tape and electrical tape, I’d suggest you do it sooner rather than later. The hoods on the LNB help, but aren’t water tight; not worth the risk of water getting into the cable cavity.

    PS – don’t forgot when putting the cable through the wall (from outside to inside) that you come in from below.

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  181. Paul Says:

    heh – actually a little bit too late.

    We opened up the Virgin box cover, and my dad drilled a hole there next to the existing virgin connection for the net, so it gues under the same Virgin brown cover box outside.

    Once it was on the other side, I was like “hey this is miles away from the Virgin one”…..then I figured out that the Virgin installer obviously drillled downwards from the inside

    Soooooo….surprised my dad made an obvious mistake as he’s normally good at not making daft mistakes like that which I’d have missed….so the hole is more or less horizontal.

    Here’s hoping that doesn’t cause problems further down the line with water etc. The top of the virgin box has been gummed up etc…..but maybe I should try to think of finding a way to protect it a little bit more on either side of the wall.

    Other thank that silly mistake……all freesat’d up on my main tv now finally :D:D Thanks for all the help you’ve all been in getting me up and running.

    And I’ll be sure to swap that tape over tomorrow

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  182. steve Says:

    This deal is worth the 90 price tag if your looking for a freesat unit in a bedroom without the freature of being able to record, the down side to all this is the installation by Euro Aerials, seems that they are the loose part of it all, After waiting around for a 8am-1pm install and when they do turn up the following day, its like having one of the chuckle brothers around your home.

    I would recommend going off buying your own LMB and cable if you have your own satellite fitting yourself, if you cant do this then make sure you start off with Euro Aerials and get them to stick to what they say, and watch your home they are pretty usuless.

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  183. Kevi JF Says:

    I purchased the offer from local Tesco on 4th. Spoke to Euro Aerials same day and had a date set for yesterday, 15th.

    Enginer rang at 9-00 am saying he sould be there by noon. Arrived at 11-40am, sorted out the cabling, positioning and left him to it.

    Half hour later he tells me his drill was acting up and he was borrowing another from a colleague, would be back in thirty minutes.

    An hour later he rings saying he can’t get a satellite meter anywhere (this must be a very special kind of drill). As he was off on Sunday (today) he would come back at lunch time and complete the job.

    I’m still waiting, no contact from him – his firm say the job was down to be completed today and even they couldn’t get in touch with him.

    So another round of telephone calls tomorrow to try and get this done but no doubt to their time table and no compensation being offered.

    I’ll let you know what happens.

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  184. Kevin JF Says:

    Rang Euro Aerials this morning.

    They were unaware that the job hadn’t been completed. They rang the engineer who offered to come this morning and complete.

    I’m at work. He can’t come this afternoon as he is out of the area.

    The earliest is Thursday morning with a five hour window being offered, I’ve had to take it otherwise I probably wouldn’t have the dish set up this month.

    Totally unreliable, unprofessional and an absolute lack of customer service.

    I hope this is an isolated incident.

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  185. Kevin JF Says:

    Different engineer called on Thursday. He didn’t know about the problems at the weekend. Job completed within 30 minutes. 100% strength and quality of signal.

    The only problem was for the engineer; he had to make a 200+ mile round trip to fit the dish and get back home.

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  186. annoyed son of an awaiting installation Says:

    so far after waiting over 3 weeks for the installation company to come and install my mums freesat, CONSTANT excuses for failing to turn up she is STILL waiting .
    this i feel is a breach of contract and tescos should consider the company they are using for this service .
    My mum is highly annoyed at this , and i cannot express my concerns without using bad language over the phone.
    She bought not one freesat box but 2 , and the last conversation with the help line told her she would have to pay an extra instillation cost for the second box.
    ABSOLUTE rubbish service she has received in my opinion and i if something is not done about it VERY soon i will be taking further action in a small claims court for her.
    ONE VERY ANNOYED SON.

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  187. wilson walters Says:

    Does the freesat installaion replace your aerial

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  188. rob Says:

    is this deal still on offer

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  189. Steve C Says:

    Hello
    Boiught the package from tesco two weeks ago and rang the number to arrange set up, which was due on tuesday 23rd.
    Got a phone call on friday to say that due to a dispute with tesco thy would not be coming to fit the dish any suggestions.

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  190. Martini Says:

    Selling off the last of these now at Tesco.
    They are £45 which for the receiver and install of a dish is a steal!
    Good luck in finding the ones that are left.

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  191. leew Says:

    Martini said: Selling off the last of these now at Tesco.They are £45 which for the receiver and install of a dish is a steal!Good luck in finding the ones that are left.

    I bought one from the local Tesco, had around 4 on the shelf.

    I’ll be ringing the install number tomorrow, I really want a Quad lnb fitting though.

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