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87 Responses to “Update Scan – 05/11/13”

  1. scott Says:

    good to see correct region added for itv. and good to see freesat advertisement in new whats on tv magazine hope it attracts more people to this brilliant tv platform.

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  2. Matthew Says:

    scott said:
    good to see correct region added for itv. and good to see freesat advertisement in new whats on tv magazine hope it attracts more people to this brilliant tv platform.

    I have a feeling Skys NowTV will take some of the buzz away from Freesat, let’s ignore the fact Sky are too cheap to acquire the rights to a fair few programs, leaving the poor sods who are paying sky like 5 quid a month to watch Sky 1, Atlantic etc unable to view stuff like The Simpsons lol.

    For that reason I deem the service to be crap. Sky are clearly doing things on the cheap to make the most profits.

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  3. Neil Says:

    Matthew said: I have a feeling Skys NowTV will take some of the buzz away from Freesat, let’s ignore the fact Sky are too cheap to acquire the rights to a fair few programs, leaving the poor sods who are paying sky like 5 quid a month to watch Sky 1, Atlantic etc unable to view stuff like The Simpsons lol.
    For that reason I deem the service to be crap. Sky are clearly doing things on the cheap to make the most profits.

    So are you saying here that Sky’s Now TV will dent the Freesat market? Now TV is a last ditch attempt to increase Sky’s subscriber numbers which have flat-lined, it also relies on decent broadband speeds.

    Just read some of the comments on the Sky user forums at how annoyed subscribers are at the loss of 5HD to the HD paywall! I think there’s more people waking up to the fact that Sky are just fleecing them for more money each Month in return for what is not a lot in terms of value.

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  4. Matthew Says:

    Neil said: So are you saying here that Sky’s Now TV will dent the Freesat market? Now TV is a last ditch attempt to increase Sky’s subscriber numbers which have flat-lined, it also relies on decent broadband speeds.
    Just read some of the comments on the Sky user forums at how annoyed subscribers are at the loss of 5HD to the HD paywall! I think there’s more people waking up to the fact that Sky are just fleecing them for more money each Month in return for what is not a lot in terms of value.

    I’m not sure if it will dent but it will take some of the buzz away from Freesat. Sky have offered this service with a £9.99(Rebranded Roku) box in order to make money off people who only have freeview, and those unhappy with what service they have for whatever reason. While the service is still young, being presented with a service that can offer you Iplayer/other on demand functionality, with Sky premium channels(And Fox, Discovery) will go down well with some.

    It already has a lot of praise for cost anyway.

    But on a positive note, I don’t think it will have an affect on Freesat overall, it’ll be a fad that fades into obscurity.

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  5. Neil Says:

    Matthew said: I’m not sure if it will dent but it will take some of the buzz away from Freesat. Sky have offered this service with a £9.99(Rebranded Roku) box in order to make money off people who only have freeview, and those unhappy with what service they have for whatever reason. While the service is still young, being presented with a service that can offer you Iplayer/other on demand functionality, with Sky premium channels(And Fox, Discovery) will go down well with some.
    It already has a lot of praise for cost anyway.
    But on a positive note, I don’t think it will have an affect on Freesat overall, it’ll be a fad that fades into obscurity.

    It’s just the whole issue of relying on the Internet and bandwidth costs etc. For straight linear channels the main DTT/DSAT platforms will still win hands down, also a FS PVR can record etc.

    I do agree that Freesat need to get some more streaming services on-board as would really add value to the product.

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  6. Matthew Says:

    Neil said: It’s just the whole issue of relying on the Internet and bandwidth costs etc. For straight linear channels the main DTT/DSAT platforms will still win hands down, also a FS PVR can record etc.
    I do agree that Freesat need to get some more streaming services on-board as would really add value to theproduct.

    I believe in all honesty the natural evolution of Freesat would be for them to offer people the choice of subscribing to some premium channels.

    I would say no more than £4.99 a month, and they should go after the UKTV, Discovery, and random channels that have been holding out. They could integrate a viewing card feature on later models. And they could sell the channels in packs for a lesser cost like £2-3 a month(If 5 quid is too much).

    It makes so much sense. Keeping the costs low and making it an optional extra would still stay in a spirit of offering a largely free service. And getting their feet in the door with some premium channel operators who offer freeview channels may eventually give them the chance to make some channels free to regular freesat users.

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  7. martin Says:

    Matthew said: I believe in all honesty the natural evolution of Freesat would be for them to offer people the choice of subscribing to some premium channels.
    I would say no more than £4.99 a month, and they should go after the UKTV, Discovery, and random channels that have been holding out. They could integrate a viewing card feature on later models. And they could sell the channels in packs for a lesser cost like £2-3 a month(If 5 quid is too much).
    It makes so much sense. Keeping the costs low and making it an optional extra would still stay in a spirit of offering a largely free service. And getting their feet in the door with some premium channel operators who offer freeview channels may eventually give them the chance to make some channels free to regular freesat users.

    I agree with every word you say on that I bought a youviwe box the on demand is fantastic its even got dave on demand with yesterday and really to follow soon now tv is there as well if you want to subscribe to it this could be on freesat s freetime box if uktv was added to freesat I like freesat but they falling way behind on the ondemand part of freetime boxes if they could do a deal with uktv they could have the ondemand channels that is on youviwe as well

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  8. miffo Says:

    I have both the Talktalk (Huawei) PVR and the Humax Freetime boxes.
    HD picture quality on BBC Iplayer on the Huawei box is inferior to that of Freetime.
    Don’t really understand why, as it is down the same 30mb phone line.

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  9. Richard Says:

    Those that want to pay can get Sky or VM. No need for Freesat to have pay channels that would make Sky even more money but like the free YouTube app on Freetime. Glad to have Community on during the day not 2am till 8am as on Freeview which is pretty pathetic but typical of Freeview. Dave etc are mainly just old old repeats not much interest.

    I see Netflix are testing 4K and proposing to start 4K movie streaming next year. How many people in the UK have fast enough broadband for that is another matter altogether.. Mine isn’t even fast enough for Lovefilm instant during peaks or $ky who specify 5mb/s on the TalkTalk player.

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  10. Anthony Says:

    if I was in charge of Channel5 I would pull 5HD from Sky altogether and go totally free to air and I would make efforts to get 5HD onto Freeview as well, and I would update the playout facilities and broadcast facilities to make and broadcast programmes in full DolbyDigital5.1 and I would also leave films unedited including end titles whatever time of day they’re on and adjust broadcast schedules to reflect this.

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  11. Richard Says:

    miffo said:
    I have both the Talktalk (Huawei) PVR and the Humax Freetime boxes.
    HD picture quality on BBC Iplayeron the Huawei box is inferior to that of Freetime.
    Don’t really understand why, as it is down the same 30mb phone line.

    I have those as well. Freetime may use the HTML5 version of BBC iplayer first seen on the PS3 as does YouTube. Don’t know what YouView uses but it is certainly not as good. The HD is SD on YouView but on Freetime the HD is nearly like broadcast HD.

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  12. Neil Says:

    Anthony said: if I was in charge of Channel5 I would pull 5HD from Sky altogether and go totally free to air and I would make efforts to get 5HD onto Freeview as well, and I would update the playout facilities and broadcast facilities to make and broadcast programmes in full DolbyDigital5.1 and I would also leave films unedited including end titles whatever time of day they’re on and adjust broadcast schedules to reflect this.

    That would be great but sadly things never work like that.

    Think of it like this and put yourself in this position:

    You’ve got a house to sell, it’s on the market at £300k. Two perspecive buyers come along, one offering £270k called ‘Mr Freesat’ and wants to buy, limited on budget but makes a reaonable offer which you have pretty much agreed on. Next comes Mr Sky, he loves and wants the place, offers you the asking price of £300k as he’s desperate for the house, will complete quickly and you are happy as your getting an extra £30k you think you’d never have got! In return though his conditions are it’s taken off the market immediately so he’s got exclusivity over this offer.

    Who would you sell the house to??

    Money talks and Sky were obviously desperate at a last ditch attempt to secure PSB service HD exclusivity. Things are changing in relation to HD, by the New Year the number of HD services on both UK free to air platforms will have doubled with the arrival of all the BBC services and likely more. Sky’s HD pack will therefore somewhat be watered down and this C5 deal does something to try and retain it’s sparkle.

    I’m not saying it’s right, as for a PSB, clearly it’s not but until Ofcom change the rules to include HD services as part of PSB FTA access remit C5HD will remain encrypted.

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  13. Richard Says:

    With the BBC launching all services except Parliament in HD next year it is obviously becoming the new standard for the UK and commercial services still using SD will look cheap and shabby none more so than CH5, ITV2,3and4, STV etc.. Wake up and smell the coffee guys. Things are changing for the better, the economy is growing at last, more money coming in from advertising etc.
    Proper HD (4/8K) is on the horizon and using SD now is the 21st century equivalent of using 405line black and white once 625 line colour had been introduced in 1967 or whenever it was.
    Is it my imagination or has Pick improved its picture quality lately?

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  14. Anthony Says:

    Neil said: That would be great but sadly things never work like that.
    Think of it like this and put yourself in this position:
    You’ve got a house to sell, it’s on the market at £300k. Two perspecive buyers come along, one offering £270k called ‘Mr Freesat’ and wants to buy, limited on budget but makes a reaonable offer which you have pretty much agreed on. Next comes Mr Sky, he loves and wants the place, offers you the asking price of £300k as he’s desperate for the house, will complete quickly and you are happy as your getting an extra £30k you think you’d never have got! In return though his conditions are it’s taken off the market immediately so he’s got exclusivity over this offer.
    Who would you sell the house to??
    Money talks and Sky were obviously desperate at a last ditch attempt to secure PSB service HD exclusivity. Things are changing in relation to HD, by the New Year the number of HD services on both UK free to air platforms will have doubled with the arrival of all the BBC services and likely more. Sky’s HD pack will therefore somewhat be watered down and this C5 deal does something to try and retain it’s sparkle.
    I’m not saying it’s right, as for a PSB, clearly it’s not but until Ofcom change the rules to include HD services as part of PSB FTA access remit C5HD will remain encrypted.

    I would rather sell to Mr Freesat and give him the exclusivity of surviving and broadcasting on my platform than leaving digital satellite viewers having to pay for a PSB through a subscription only paywall.

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  15. Richard Says:

    Anthony said: I would rather sell to Mr Freesat and give him the exclusivity of surviving and broadcasting on my platform than leaving digital satellite viewers having to pay for a PSB through a subscription only paywall.

    It’s a disgrace and the government and OfCON should do something about it.
    How about starting a petition on change.com? If we get enough signatures it has to be discussed in parliament.

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  16. Keith Cobby Says:

    Freesat – the clue is in the name – no pay!

    Perhaps it should be called FreeHDsat though.

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  17. Richard Says:

    Richard said: It’s a disgrace and the government and OfCON should do something about it.
    How about starting a petition on change.com? If we get enough signatures it has to be discussed in parliament.

    Sorry that should be change.org
    Channel 5 HD should not be behind a paywall.

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  18. Richard Says:

    The advertising pays for the service. That’s why it’s called commercial television. No need for paywalls with a public service broadcaster.

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  19. Matthew Says:

    Keith Cobby said:
    Freesat – the clue is in the name – no pay!
    Perhaps it should be called FreeHDsat though.

    But you can still remain in the spirit of the name by offering an optional service to customers for a low cost. You don’t even need to equip every box with the capability, let people decide. It’s the only way realistically that this platform will see some real growth quickly. Unless people are happy with random obscure channels.

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  20. Neil Says:

    Anthony said: I would rather sell to Mr Freesat and give him the exclusivity of surviving and broadcasting on my platform than leaving digital satellite viewers having to pay for a PSB through a subscription only paywall.

    But you’d be loosing out on £30k!! My point being that money talks and Sky know, and in commercial terms, can afford to wave dosh in front of broadcasters to sway their opinions.

    It’s definitely not right and more so for a PSB service. C5 need to realise where their commitments lie and first and foremost to a Public Service commitment. Making the HD version of their channel FTA is, at this stage of HD maturity, very important as technology now progresses.

    I once was rather worried at the prospect Sky were interested in buying C5 as they’d have kept 5*/5USA off Freesat and we’d have never seen 5HD. Desmond/N&S bought it and thought “great, at least Sky haven’t got their mits on it” – but look what’s happened, Sky may have well bought it as it’s made no difference.

    I think C5′s owner, Richard Desmond, is a man who obviously holds grudges with issues he feels previously haven’t been resolved. There’s obviously a lot of politics involved with DMOL/Digital UK who oversee EPG LCN’s on DTT and when the 105 HD slot was given to the BBC then he’s chucked his towel in and snapped Sky’s hand off.

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  21. Keith Cobby Says:

    In the 10+ years since leaving Sky the only thing I’ve missed is the recent Ashes cricket.

    I want more HD on Freesat, BBC channels (coming next year) ITV channels, C5, and Film 4. I don’t need hundreds of others.

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  22. Chris Guest Says:

    Keith Cobby said:
    In the 10+ years since leaving Sky the only thing I’ve missed is the recent Ashes cricket.

    A ‘better’ alternative to NowTV is a Sky Go Monthly pass: that gives access to all Sky Sports channels, without subscription. Ideal for the cricket season…

    http://help.sky.com/tv/sky-tv-on-other-devices/watch-sky-online-without-a-subscription

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  23. Dave Says:

    There’s a new channel on sly .. Film on tv .. Its free so not sure what’s on it but presume films lol :-)

    Is this coming to freesat dose anyone know … Thanks

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  24. Digiwatcher Says:

    True Movies 1 temp name change to “True Christmas”

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  25. Rosco Says:

    Dave said:
    There’s a new channel on sly .. Film on tv .. Its free so not sure what’s on it but presume films lol
    Is this coming to freesat dose anyone know … Thanks

    Seems to be little more than a barker channel for the Filmon.com streaming service. No films on the epg when Ive had a look at it, just low budget filler.

    The 2300 epg tonight sounds particularly awful “Sign up today at http://www.battlecam.com to stream live from your computer to everyones tv screen”.

    Thats a recipe for disaster if Ive ever see it :D

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  26. Neil Says:

    Rosco said:The 2300 epg tonight sounds particularly awful “Sign up today at http://www.battlecam.com to stream live from your computer to everyones tv screen”.
    Thats a recipe for disaster if Ive ever see it

    Just put this channel on as working late, yep a disaster it certainly is! It’s billed on the EPG now and next as “The future of live TV” – god help us if so, makes X Factor truly amazing!!!

    A lot of people use Filmon.com for streaming the UK PSB channels as they are all available for free, once you’ve watched a short ad. I guess they are geo-locked but with a VPN people can watch from abroad. Might become more popular in the coming weeks when Astra 2E arrives, I wonder with this in mind whether they are doing a bit of self-promotion by launching this on to the Sky EPG?

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  27. Richard Says:

    Chris Guest said: A ‘better’ alternative to NowTV is a Sky Go Monthly pass: that gives access to all Sky Sports channels, without subscription. Ideal for the cricket season…
    http://help.sky.com/tv/sky-tv-on-other-devices/watch-sky-online-without-a-subscription

    You need a Sky ID and password so expect to be bombarded with ads to get you spending more money with Sly. Also the present price is £40 a month not 2 bad you may say but how long will it stay that low. I expect at cricket time the price will shoot up. Remember we are talking about Sly here.

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  28. Neil Says:

    Richard said: You need a Sky ID and password so expect to be bombarded with ads to get you spending more money with Sly. Also the present price is £40 a month not 2 bad you may say but how long will it stay that low. I expect at cricket time the price will shoot up. Remember we are talking about Sly here.

    Indeed, their marketing and sales teams are so aggressive, subscribers are always being contacted to upgrade and she’ll out more money with offers hoping that people will just carry on paying after the offer discount ends!

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  29. Rosco Says:

    Neil said: Just put this channel on as working late, yep a disaster it certainly is! It’s billed on the EPG now and next as “The future of live TV” – god help us if so, makes X Factor truly amazing!!!

    I left it running for about half an hour last night. Absolutely abysmal programming – the camera interaction with the viewers was stilted due to the safety delay and the two female presenters were somewhat less than interested and seemed more concerned with discussing their fingernails. Reminds me of the worst “car crash” programming from the almost forgotten Friendly TV about 10 years ago :D

    It might be amusing for an hour after a few beers but few are going to tune in regularly with such poor programming.

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  30. Neil Says:

    Rosco said: I left it running for about half an hour last night. Absolutely abysmal programming – the camera interaction with the viewers was stilted due to the safety delay and the two female presenters were somewhat less than interestedand seemed more concerned with discussing their fingernails. Reminds me of the worst “car crash” programming from the almost forgotten Friendly TV about 10 years ago
    It might be amusing for an hour after a few beers but few are going to tune in regularly with such poor programming.

    Yep, fully agree. Remember ‘Live TV’ back in the day – that was much better than this and described as the ‘lowest of the low’ at the time!! Unless they actually do some good promotion with this channel it won’t achieve what they want it to!

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  31. Matthew Says:

    Keith Cobby said:
    In the 10+ years since leaving Sky the only thing I’ve missed is the recent Ashes cricket.
    I want more HD on Freesat, BBC channels (coming next year) ITV channels, C5, and Film 4. I don’t need hundreds of others.

    Thing is, discounting the Sky channels, there must be like 50+ channels at least that aren’t on Freesat. I genuinely don’t know how, or see the current Freesat group getting many more of them.

    Discovery and other such providers who aren’t Sky wouldn’t be too difficult to get on board with a limited pay service(£5 a month at most).

    Isn’t this platform in general starting to stagnate? Honest question, we haven’t seen much in the way of quality additions. I genuinely hope they consider other options to inject life into it.

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  32. martin Says:

    They bilt freetime up so much they where going to do so much with it but once again youviwe beat them to it now tv from sly dave ondemand true entertainment movie mix all going on to freeviwe what next cbs action my point is there isnt anything from freeviwe coming on to freesat its going the other way its not a level playing filed

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  33. Richard Says:

    I don’t want a load of rubbish channels on Freesat especially SD ones and I don’t want to pay to watch tv or adverts like you do on Sky. Freetime does what it claims to do. If you want more get Sky or VM. Simples.

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  34. Rosco Says:

    Matthew said:
    Discovery and other such providers who aren’t Sky wouldn’t be too difficult to get on board with a limited pay service(£5 a month at most).
    I

    Dream on bud. There are exclusivity clauses that the likes of Discovery have with Sky to stop them joining other satellite pay tv platforms.

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  35. Ernest Says:

    Admins been quiet, have they closed shop? If we had all these channels, when do you all find the time to view them, are we all on the dole here and sit around all day and drink 24 packs of cheap lager. Only joking here.

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  36. Dave Says:

    Hi all :-)

    Today bt sports said on BBC news its service is available on all platforms err no it’s not mr bt ??

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  37. Richard Says:

    With Freesat currently not allowed to have pay linear channels, due to the BBC Trust ruling paying for Discovery etc is a non starter. Sky could allow it to be streamed via a pay app like on TTYouView but won’t because that would weaken their monopoly pay tv position on satellite.
    Congrats to BT Sport for snatching Champions League football rights from Sly. BT has three times the revenue of Sky so it will be great to see the fight that is developing between them.
    The only likely possibility to get it on Freesat would be an app on Freetime boxes that can only be activated if it recognises a BT Internet connection perhaps. It would certainly be a boost for Freesat Freetime if this happened and a Netflix app perhaps.

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  38. Russ Says:

    With BT gaining the rights to champions league football, Sky are complaining BT paid over the odds for the rights. Have Sky not been guilty of that on many occasion regarding most major sports?

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  39. Richard Says:

    Russ said:
    With BT gaining the rights to champions league football, Sky are complaining BT paid over the odds for the rights. Have Sky not been guilty of that on many occasion regarding most major sports?

    Sour grapes. They are hypocrites.

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  40. stigbeater Says:

    i think it would be good for freesat to offer pay tv over then internet on freetime boxes like youview do, there for still keeping all channels free that are broadcasted from the satellite there fore it would still be freesat. because your still getting satellite channels free.

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  41. Richard Says:

    Sky shares down 9.58% today on the bad news. :D

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  42. Richard Says:

    stigbeater said:
    i think it would be good for freesat to offer pay tv over then internet on freetime boxes like youview do, there for still keeping all channels free that are broadcasted from the satellite there fore it would still be freesat. because your still getting satellite channels free.

    Sky would block that as they have exclusive rights for those channels worth paying for either off air or streamed. They don’t call them Sly for nothing.

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  43. Neil Says:

    Richard said:
    Sky shares down 9.58% today on the bad news.

    Dropped over 10% at one point, next I guess BT will go after some Cricket rights too, good news for competition.

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  44. Dave Says:

    Hi
    When is another manufacturer making a freetime box , I thought it was gonna be this year ?
    And if Manhattan bring one out will you be able to put non freesat channels in the favourite list like you can with there box they have out now or may be know one knows till it’s released ??

    And is it to hard for BT sport to let freesat customers watch

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  45. Richard Says:

    Emma Scott said “We’re really excited about the new BBC iPlayer features and hope to be able to roll them out for our Freetime users as soon as they become available. We will soon be delivering more features to our next generation Freetime service including a remote app and in the future, additional movie and music channels.”

    What are the new BBC iPlayer features?

    “And is it to hard for BT sport to let freesat customers watch”

    The point of BT Sport is to sell BT Broadband nothing else.
    BT have their own YouView tv platform.They want to sign up customers to it. Putting it on Freesat defeats their object.

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  46. Richard Says:

    ” The five new BBC HD channels will be broadcast on satellite, covering approximately 99 per cent of UK homes from launch. On digital terrestrial television (Freeview HD and YouView) BBC News HD, BBC Four HD and CBeebies HD will use new HD capacity, which will cover part of the UK and grow in coverage over time.”

    Wonder when these will be starting, glad I’m not stuck with terrestrial which may or may not get these at launch.

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  47. Dave W Says:

    Dave said:
    And is it to hard for BT sport to let freesat customers watch

    The BT Sport broadcast channels are encrypted but they could in theory be offered to Freesat customers via a viewing card. Obviously the STB would need a CI slot but I think the encryption technology used would need to be different to the card that’s issued to Sky customers. Not sure if that means they would need to broadcast a Freesat specific set of BT Sport channels or not but there are definitely several technical, financial and political barriers in the mix.

    Delivering BT Sport via a freetime app might be an easier path but may require approval from the BBC trust since, although the BBC Trust has approved pay on demand content on Freesat, adult and sport content is specifically excluded. However, if BT Sport isn’t classified as pay content then it should be a lot easier. I would love to see it as a freetime app! :)

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  48. Chris Guest Says:

    An all-new CI+ 1.4 card is emerging that may be the answer in providing additional content via IPTV and OTT…

    http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/11/06/ci-1-4-answers-telcos-needs/

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  49. Paul Says:

    Even if the various technical and political hurdles are jumped the law of diminishing returns probably gets in the way of a freetime app.

    Of the Freesat user base a small, though growing, proportion will have a freetime device. Of those, only a subset will be BT broadband customers. Further, a subset of those will have their freetime box a) connected to a line and b) with a broadband connection fast enough to support decent quality streaming. Finally a subset of those left will actually be interested in watching sport as it streams rather than being able to record it to watch later.

    At the end of the day it won’t be worth the effort and cost.

    From my point of view I’d like to see a true Connected Red Button app coded for the freetime boxes.

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  50. scott Says:

    channels should stay fta on freesat those who want pay tv theres sky and virgin media. if pay was on freesat channels wont go fta I like freesat the way it is with free tv and radio channels. look forward to see whats launching for xmas.

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  51. mike65 Says:

    Channel 5 are bring forth a catch up channel – seriously!

    http://www.a516digital.com/2013/11/5-later-set-for-january-launch.html

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  52. Richard Says:

    Will Freesat be getting Al Jazeera HD. Starts fairly soon on DTT channel 108.

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  53. Paul Says:

    Al Jaz doesn’t have an HD channel on satellite to the UK at this time. It’ll be Freeview exclusive until they rent satellite capacity to accommodate it – if they choose to do so at all.

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  54. Richard Says:

    Paul said:
    Al Jaz doesn’t have an HD channel on satellite to the UK at this time.It’ll be Freeview exclusive until they rent satellite capacity to accommodate it – if they choose to do so at all.

    Extra Freeview HD services will operate at a lower power than other services, therefore viewers in fringe reception areas may not be able receive the extra multiplexes, even though the other services from the transmitter are fine.
    Can’t see them being short of dosh and there are two other (soon to be three) HD news channels so unless they want to look cheap I see no logical reason not to go HD on Freesat.

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  55. martin Says:

    scott said:
    channels should stay fta on freesat those who want pay tv theres sky and virgin media. if pay was on freesat channels wont go fta I like freesat the way it is with free tv and radio channels. look forward to see whats launching for xmas.
    </blockquote?

    The reason freesat dont get any chanels is because they not geting any pay channels if dave reall drama was available to freesat we would cos thoes channels are mainly an advert for thire pay channels so we get whats free they might get more customers for their pay channels which woul be you r choice everyone a winner

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  56. admin Says:

    martin said:
    The reason freesat dont get any chanels is because they not geting any pay channels if dave reall drama was available to freesat we would cos thoes channels are mainly an advert for thire pay channels so we get whats free they might get more customers for their pay channels which woul be you r choice everyone a winner

    Blimey!

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  57. Neil Says:

    Richard said:
    Will Freesat be gettingAl Jazeera HD. Starts fairly soon on DTT channel 108.

    It’s just got an Ofcom Satellite and Cable licence so there’s hope it will arrive. Unlikely at the same time it launches on DTT but looks like a definite, hopefully on the Freesat EPG too.

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  58. Neil Says:

    mike65 said:
    Channel 5 are bring forth a catch up channel – seriously!
    http://www.a516digital.com/2013/11/5-later-set-for-january-launch.html

    Worth a posting admin? I guess it will end up on LCN 133.

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  59. Rosco Says:

    what will be BBC4 HD / CBeebies HD are testing on 11023H 23000 2/3 tagged as 8391/2

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  60. Rosco Says:

    ^^ Oops the label numbers are 8931/2.

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  61. Anthony Says:

    Matthew said: But you can still remain in the spirit of the name by offering an optional service to customers for a low cost. You don’t even need to equip every box with the capability, let people decide. It’s the only way realistically that this platform will see some real growth quickly. Unless people are happy with random obscure channels.

    There should not be ANY PAY TV option on freesat at all;it should stay free to all with free non-encrypted channels of various genres that don’t need a broadband connection or a decoder or CA module or smartcard/decoder of any sort. By giving into pay-tv whether connected or subscription decoder/card or CA module it completely obliterates the purpose of a free to air satellite platform.

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  62. Keith Cobby Says:

    I agree with Anthony, any pay TV services are the thin end of the wedge. It would no longer be Freesat in my opinion.

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  63. Richard Says:

    Keith Cobby said:
    I agree with Anthony, any pay TV services are the thin end of the wedge. It would no longer be Freesat in my opinion.

    Yes and no. It’s FreeSAT not free on demand services via broadband ie Netflix Lovefilm etc.

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  64. Neil Says:

    BBC Three/CBBC now testing on 10847V – 6951 and 6952.

    More HD is coming to the platform :)

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  65. Darren Speck Says:

    Thats great news Neil if its true re More HD. How do you know as its not been made public, do you know when it will arrive?

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  66. Dan Says:

    Darren Speck said:
    Thats great news Neil if its true re More HD. How do you know as its not been made public, do you know when it will arrive?

    It has been made public, 5 new BBC HD channels are joining by early 2014. BBC3, 4, CBBC, cbeebies and BBC News all in HD on freesat.

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  67. admin Says:

    Dan said: It has been made public, 5 new BBC HD channels are joining by early 2014. BBC3, 4, CBBC, cbeebies and BBC News all in HD on freesat.

    Darren is talking about More HD (i.e. the channel, not a request for more high-definition channels).

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  68. Darren Speck Says:

    Apologies I read Neils last line that more 4 HD was coming to freesat, I must have imagined the 4. Obviously wishing !

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  69. admin Says:

    Darren Speck said:
    Apologies I read Neils last line that more 4 HD was coming to freesat, I must have imagined the 4. Obviously wishing !

    Actually, think I’m wrong, I read “More 4″ too for some reason!!!

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  70. Neil Says:

    admin said: Actually, think I’m wrong, I read “More 4″ too for some reason!!!

    Sorry for the confusion folks, I meant more (i.e. greater number) of HD channels. Don’t expect More4HD for a long time, C4 have sold out to Sky on these. There are rumours of a 4Seven HD though which will be FTA although only showing programmes first run on C4 anyway.

    In effect by the (rumoured) launch date of the new BBC channels on the 10th, Freesat will double it’s number of available HD channels in one hit. Some people argue BBC Three/CBBC and BBC Four/Cbeebies are actually the same channel. “Technically” they are but the BBC market them as two separate part-time channels each which have separate branding and EPG entries so they are indeed different!

    I see on RB HD, Dr Who 3D is now listed for Saturday night, looks like Sky viewers will be missing out on this unless a last minute deal is reached. Wait until the Daily Mail pick up on that one!!

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  71. Dan Says:

    I don’t know if you can shed any light on this admin, but Premier Sports replied to an email of mine stating that they were open to discussion with freesat and other platforms. Considering they are already on satellite via sky and have just joined VM on every package including the basic, is there a chance we may see our first sports channel in the not too distant future?

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  72. admin Says:

    Dan said:
    I don’t know if you can shed any light on this admin, but Premier Sports replied to an email of mine stating that they were open to discussion with freesat and other platforms. Considering they are already on satellite via sky and have just joined VM on every package including the basic, is there a chance we may see our first sports channel in the not too distant future?

    My opinion only as I don’t have anything specific, but if you are referring to Premier Sports as being available for free, then I can’t see it; they only survive by pay-tv and if they were fta on Freesat, anyone from Sky could in theory manually add the channel without subscribing. Maybe they are considering a pay-tv deal with freesat, but I can’t answer that one sorry.

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  73. Dan Says:

    Fair enough, it was just interesting to me because they’d always said no chance before. I was surprised when they said they were open to it, as without any major sports rights after the Rugby League world cup they could try something different to prevent going out of business slowly like setanta did.

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  74. Neil Says:

    Dan said:
    Fair enough, it was just interesting to me because they’d always said no chance before. I was surprised when they said they were open to it, as without any major sports rights after the Rugby League world cup they could try something different to prevent going out of business slowly like setanta did.

    I’m very optimistic about a lot of things (that’s the kind of guy I am!) and feel there is more good things to come channel-wise for Freesat but unfortunately Sports channels won’t be appearing for a while. At best one day Motors or LFC TV (currently FTV) may appear but slim. With this new BT/UEFA deal breaking the bidding mould, the money involved is now getting out of the realms of it being profitable for FTA PSB TV, let alone any non PSB channel! The only grin on my face about it is that BT have stolen a bit of Sky’s crown jewels and a weaker BSkyB is good for FTA TV in my opinion.

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  75. Richard Says:

    Neil. There is a DTT HD retune event on the 26th Nov for some transmitters so 10th Dec may not be correct. The potential extra 10 HD on DTT will only be available to 70% in England and 50% in Scotland and Wales by the middle of 2014 so Freesat is at an advantage.

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  76. Dan Says:

    Sky have announced that 1 hour daily highlights from all of England’s Australian cricket tour including the ashes will be shown on pick. That’s cheered me up a little!

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  77. Neil Says:

    Richard said:
    Neil. There is a DTT HD retune event on the 26th Nov for some transmitters so 10th Dec may not be correct. The potential extra 10 HD on DTT will only be available to 70% in England and 50% in Scotland and Wales by the middle of 2014 so Freesat is at an advantage.

    There is but not sure whether the BBC are launching their HD services at this event or waiting until the other five or six sites go live on the 9th/10th to allow a wider launch and better promotion? BBC News HD hasn’t started testing yet (will be on SID 8921 – 11023H 23000 2/3) and the BBC do like to launch on all platforms simultaneously. If so then they’ll need a bit more testing time before Sky and Freesat allow EPG inclusion which is usually the case.

    BBC Three/Four/CBBC and CBeebies are all also still upscaled, the HD playout isn’t in use yet so although the current HD test looks better than it’s SD counterpart, it’s actually still upscaled SD your seeing (downscaled originally from an HD source!).

    Your right too that Freesat will be the only FTA subscription free platform with almost universal UK coverage able to offer the new BBC HD services with PVR facilities – I’d say Freesat should capitalise on this but they probably won’t! To add to the coverage issue too, not only are the transmitter powers lower but most are on out of group frequencies so receive antenna performance will drop.

    Dan said:
    Sky have announced that 1 hour daily highlights from all of England’s Australian cricket tour including the ashes will be shown on pick. That’s cheered me up a little!

    Isn’t it amazing what Sky start to do once a competitor (BT) become a threat!! Looks like they’ll be pushing the Cricket to promote more Sky Sports subs. Expect lots of self promotion ads during breaks but agree it’s good to get this for free.

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  78. mike65 Says:

    AFAIK The Ashes highlights are on Pick only because they can have to be shown post 10 pm and naturally SKY were looking for too much so BBC/C4/C5 passed.

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  79. Anthony Says:

    Richard said:
    Neil. There is a DTT HD retune event on the 26th Nov for some transmitters so 10th Dec may not be correct. The potential extra 10 HD on DTT will only be available to 70% in England and 50% in Scotland and Wales by the middle of 2014 so Freesat is at an advantage.

    I’ve set up a brand new Panasonic 50in plasma Freeview HD television this saturday just gone and it tuned in all the BBC HD channels from Winter Hill no problem maximum signal quality 10 on all of them, so all good 100%.

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  80. Neil Says:

    CBBC HD, presumably for testing, has been added to 607 this afternoon. I really hope these new BBC HD counterpart channels replace SD ones on the EPG (as per RT and NHK) and they don’t add them separately. There’s no reason to keep the SD and HD ones on the EPG.

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  81. m tate Says:

    as regards small pay tv offerings on freesat or freeview for that matter using bandwidth or via LAN.. the clue is in the name “free”. the greedy goverment shouldnt have sold part of the dtt spectrum off as if people wanted a small pay offering then grant 2 new muxx licences for pay, keep the ones already active for free sd/hd. bskyb are greedy who just give less and less for more and more £££. for the full pack with 1 multi-room box a sky sub is £80 per month… come on its tv thats all and theres more adverts than free commercial broadcasters like itv/c4 have. lastly personally i think c5 should have its licence revoked for jumping in bed with sky on c5hd and the goverment/ofcom are useless

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  82. Neil Says:

    Neil said:
    CBBC HD, presumably for testing, has been added to 607 this afternoon. I really hope these new BBC HD counterpart channels replace SD ones on the EPG (as per RT and NHK) and they don’t add them separately. There’s no reason to keep the SD and HD ones on the EPG.

    And now it’s disappeared!! Blink and you’ll miss it!!

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  83. Richard Says:

    Neil said: And now it’s disappeared!! Blink and you’ll miss it!!

    Good site that a516digital :D

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  84. Richard Says:

    Neil said:
    CBBC HD, presumably for testing, has been added to 607 this afternoon. I really hope these new BBC HD counterpart channels replace SD ones on the EPG (as per RT and NHK) and they don’t add them separately. There’s no reason to keep the SD and HD ones on the EPG.

    Logical for one channel number for both .SD boxes get the SD version HD boxes the HD version like RT. What I would like to see s a HD filter/category (like tt-uvu have) on the guide instead of having to jump all over the place for HD channels as at present.

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  85. Patrick Says:

    Shame,I won`t be able to watch Moto gp on the BBC as BTsports have taken the rights from them!!

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  86. Ginny Stroud-Lewis Says:

    My retired neighbour just bought NowTV box with promise “no contracts” etc, but then discovered that you cannot just register for catch up – you have to register under free trial package e.g. entertainment or movies and these are both monthly subscriptions. She sent email to Sky but they auto responded about chosing package. Another con?

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  87. Neil Says:

    Ginny Stroud-Lewis said:
    My retired neighbour just bought NowTV box with promise “no contracts” etc, but then discovered that you cannot just register for catch up – you have to register under free trial package e.g. entertainment or movies and these are both monthly subscriptions.She sent email to Sky but they auto responded about chosing package.Another con?

    It’s the only way they are now fudging their subscriber figures up when in effect TV take-up has stalled, if not potentially in minor decline. Sky must be twitching now with the forthcoming loss of Champions League rights to BT and the fact they are scratching their heads to find desperate ways of keeping the subscriber base ‘appearing’ to rise!

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