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June 6th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hindi comedy not for me but new channels are all good.
Big AdamQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Another channel added that I don’t even understand you got to be bilingwell to watch thease channels and I know there’s subtitles to be had but can’t we have quality English channels or crap English. Channels that we can at least understand its becoming a platform for the few rather than for everyone come on freesat I am getting sick and tired of the way things aren’t progresing
MartinQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
New channels cost a lot of money to put on and most of the ones that aren’t signed up to Sky are already on Freesat. We need more good programmes not more channels. Not interested in old stuff like Dave or Yesterday or ITV 2,3,4 etc. I want more top quality brand new programmes like we had before everything went pop in 2008.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
With Sahara One and Aaj Tak going FTA I reckon these will be heading to Freesat soon enough.
I am Asian, don’t really watch any of these channels, maybe a movie or 2 once in a blue moon.
Prob explains why these channels decided to go FTA, more viewers.
AdamQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Come on Freesat, at this rate everony will be going to Freeview…
DaveQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
The rate of progress of Freesat is zero, those in charge should be given the boot. How many decent channels have joined in the past 12 months, only Five USA & Five * that I can think of (& with them came the crippling of the PQ on Channel 5)? When was the last HD channel to join? Why did it take them so long to answer the questions put to them on this forum? The only announcement of recent times was that pathetic awards ceremony, what have they got to congratulate themselves about? No excuses now due to transponder constraints now we have the new 1N satellite in place. What have Freesat done to address the dismal PQ on Channel 5?
The platform is terribly stale, more effort needs to be put in by those who run it to attract decent channels, with an emphasis on HD.
David7Quote
June 6th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@Martin. What channels would you like to see then? And DONT say any of the currently encrypted ones as they are off the radar for the time being. Getting some of the Asian channels on board will be good for Freesat – Asian viewers installing Freesat boxes can only mean more channels of all types will consider joining the platform in the future
RoscoQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Sadly a real lack of understanding about what Freesat is and what they have control over. They can’t force channels to join, nor can they tell Channel 5 to improve their PQ. They also have no control over whether channels launch on the available 1N space…in reality, we are in recession and have been for most of Freesat’s 4 years, which hasn’t helped.
adminQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
We live in a multi cultural society,so TV platforms need to respond to that fact.
terryklQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Cool, my asian mate will be interested in this since his mrs has him paying $ky to get the ones they have.
It might just be enough to save em a tonne o cash
stingeyalQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I personally think these niche channels joining is a good thing. Whether people think they are poor or not means not only more money for Freesat’s coffers but gives Sky a run for their money too in terms of having the ‘monopoly’ over the hundreds of channels on their EPG. I always thought that one day Freesat would fill up with more of these and personally it’s not a bad thing if they bring value to the platform.
Those (Martin) who repeatably ask for more encrypted services to go FTA and join have not only the current economy to blame but Sky’s tight encryption monopoly to thank, it’s them who these channels are tied in to contracts with and once free (whenever that is), then there IS a chance they will join but that’s the channel operators choice, not Freesat’s who will welcome anybody!!
Talking of FTA channels, I see Challenge and Pick TV have gone FTA today, maybe we’re all going to be mindblown and see Sky add them to the lineup but I guess not!!!
As Adam says, I expect that with Sahara One and Aaj Tak also going FTA these channels may join the lineup too?
NeilQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Would it be a bridge to far to see Sky News, PickTV & Challenge join the EPG?
Yeah i know.. wish in one hand, **** in the other, see which fills first and all…
ianQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I agree Ian! When you think about it they are FTA on Freeview so makes sense although the ‘sour grapes’ element is what holds all three you mention away from the platform. Maybe there’s some deal with the BBC/ITV wrapped up in the iPlayer/ITV Player Sky deal to see these channels added but in reality I think they will either stay FTA or both go FTV again!! Until senior (Murdoch) Sky managment ever change, or are forced to change the compeny ethics against competitors are unlikely to ever change. Only if Freesat’s sales go exponential will they jump on board or feel left out! Maybe that’s how they now feel about what is the UK’s fastest growing platform, who knows??
Here’s the BizAsia link to SAB, interesting it’s a Sony channel too:
http://www.media247.co.uk/bizasia/sab-tv-to-launches-on-freesat
NeilQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
If you don’t Like a channel, don’t complain, just do what I do, don’t leave your box on standby at 3:00 am in morning.
monkeymaniacQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Not on Freesat EPG but can be added I understand – Challenge and Pick as of today. No one seems to know if these channels (incl +1) will be FTA for good or not. Fingers crossed.
12207 V 27500 – PickTV & +1
11565 V 27500 – Challenge & +1
mike65Quote
June 6th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
hi all dose this mean freesat can get these channels now if they have gone FTA are they not tied in to sky can anyone help
thanks
daveQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
SAB TV is a sony tv channel i have just noticed so will freesat go for sony tv channel
daveQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Seeing as you’re barely lingwell [sic] in English, perhaps you should spend less time watching TV and more time reading. It strikes me that the people who care the most about TV also have the weakest grasp of English.S
SteveQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Well! Interesting question. Can someone tell me, which satellite are these transponders on? If not 1N, I highly doubt they will remain this way due to rights issues. But if they ARE on 1N, well, who knows! I would have thought it’d be VERY unlikely for the channels to come to Freesat, as they are OWNED by Sky, but if they do bring them on, I would expect it’s for some ulterior motive, for instance convincing Ofcom that they are not being anti-competitive so Murdoch can take over. But we’d have Sky to thank for a couple of half-decent repeats channels, at least.
Yes, I’m glad that Sony are finally acknowledging Freesat’s existence. That’s the first channel they’ve launched on Freesat (Movies4Men suite don’t count as they were brought onto Freesat under someone else!) Perhaps we’ll get M&M+1 in the short term and possibly SET in the long…
DISCLAIMER: All of this post is entirely speculation. Don’t think I know anything; I don’t
MuzerQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Challenge / +1 is Eutelsat 28A
Pick / +1 is Astra 2A.
Almost certainly only an encryption snafu.
RoscoQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
there must be some desent channels and why are the ones that will remain nameless because it stresses everyone on here when they are named they are on freeviwe for free if we keep on making thease stupid excuses as to why they aren’t there freesat will loose out to freeviwe all the time no one will bye the freesat recorder they won’t go to the expense of geting an engenear out to put two cables in when you don’t need all that fuss with a freeviwe recorder people just except things as they are will do more harm to this platform
MartinQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
thats because I am welsh it is good to see channels coming to freesat but like you say if I can’t spell whatch chance a v I got of reading the subtitles before the program has finished
MartinQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Martin. You are wanting pay channels to go free. The economics just dont add up for them to go free atm.
All channels in the pay packages get a few pennies per subscriber from Sky every month. I have no idea what the exact figures are but look at it like this. Suppose each channel get 1p per subscriber and there are 10 million subscribers. That means each channel gets 0.01*10,000,000 pounds free money from Sky *every month* Thats £100k just for being part of the pay pack.
For that channel to go free to air they have to make £100k just in extra advertising from the Sky box owners who use it just for fta & the Freesat viewers. If they dont then they are incurring additional losses every month.
In the current economic climate its just not going to work for most channels
And forget Freeview – different transmission format, different rules apply, different channel line ups. Its a fact of life, get over it.
RoscoQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Of corse I take that on board I am welsh speaking I am talking about subtitles when I read the subtitles they go so fast I can’t keep up but ye you r apsolutely correct tv platforms do need to respond to that fact
MartinQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The only thing Freesat can do is ask nicely. They can’t tempt financially for legal reasons and because they don’t have much money to tempt with; they can’t force a channel to be on or add it on their own accord for similar reasons (adding one channel for free will mean they have to add others for free else it’ll most likely be violating the need to be FRND).
And why mightn’t the channels want to come on, I hear you ask? Well, good question, and there are many answers; which one (or ones, there might be many reasons) is the correct one depends on the channel:
* (For pay channels): The amount they lose from subscription revenue for going FTA wouldn’t be enough to offset the increased advertising revenue from going on Freesat
* (For pay and FTV channels): There could be rights issues if they’re on a wide-beam transponder, and the channel doesn’t want to spend money on a slot on another transponder (and don’t want to stop their contract for their current transponder) to be able to go FTA, as it wouldn’t be worth the increased advertising revenue.
* (For pay and FTV channels): They could have outstanding contracts with Sky that it wouldn’t be worth buying out of.
* (For FTA channels): They might not be able to afford a slot on Freesat if they are very low-budget, or they might think it won’t be worth the increased advertising revenue.
* (Rare): They might have some ulterior motive for not coming to Freesat – see Sky News, Pick TV and Challenge for instance, they don’t want *any* Sky-related channels on Freesat because it’d make more people not need (or think they need) a Sky box to watch their favourite channels (especially if they can’t get DTT) – and going on Freesat would seem to some like approving of Freesat as well. Freeview, on the other hand, Sky have few qualms with – it’s hard to convert people who are on Freeview to Sky compared to Freesat to Sky; and Sky have a vested interest in Freeview anyway.
MuzerQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Sorry, posted and didn’t notice loads of others had too; that was supposed to be in reply to Martin.
MuzerQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Name some of them. I think you will find most of the decent fta stuff is already on Freesat – or perhaps you want Freesat to fill up with a dreadful assortment of religious guff, shopping & slapper-on-a-sofa channels?
About the only reasonable one thats not on Freesat is Travel Channel
I welcome all new channel launches, even if they are foreign language – anything that widens Freesat’s appeal is a good thing as far as Im concerned. Bring on more international channels,be them in the Portuguese, Arabic, or one of the Asian languages!
RoscoQuote
June 6th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
the main point of these channels on freeview is to attract subscribers to the sky packs… if people dont sub and just watch the free channels they still can get a foot in on the advertising market… so launching them one freesat isnt that far fetched especially since they allready sell ads on other freesat channels. i dont see why freesat would take a moral stance here.
Five1Quote
June 7th, 2012 at 7:33 am
The Community Channel wouldn’t be a bad addition either.
NeilQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Horse and Country.
Horse and Country as well.
Pick and Challenge still in the clear.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Freesat shouldn’t, but Sky haven’t put (for instance) Sky News on Freesat despite its always having been FTA.
MuzerQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
yet another one to delete right away.
We really need new channels that arent foreign, shopping or a tiny niche.
For example, MotorsTV is FTV but not FTA. Surely theyd get a lot more viewers and they arent earning from pay TV now.
SLQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Community Channel and Horse & Country……can anyone watch these channels without falling asleep……awful channels.
simonQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
any other channels available free .and can there be added to my guide on my humax box if anyone can help
i see on here that challenge and pick tv is now available but dont know how to add to my guide
thanks
daveQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
You can’t add to the guide because that would involve a payment by the broadcaster to Freesat for inclusion; but you can access them via the non-Freesat mode…whilst they remain free-to-air.
adminQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Well, on Humax boxes of course you can install custom firmware to add them to Freesat mode, but they still won’t have EPGs of course.
MuzerQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
thanks alot
daveQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
People who have horses watch. They wouldn’t exist if nobody watched.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Or you could get a Manhattan and add them to a favorites list ( of which there are 8 available and which you can name).
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
will get a manhattan when the new G2 comes out hopefully soon
daveQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
As I posted on D$, there is a G2 testing channel, so it can’t be long now!
(Incidentally, there’s also the BBC Olympics channel)
MuzerQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
http://www.satbuyer.co.uk/manhattan-plaza-g2-s-freesat+hd-500gb-digital-box-p147.html
NetwarsQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E-fta.php
RoscoQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
ISTR Motors was fta when it launched and was for years. Then they got tempted onto the pay service….
RoscoQuote
June 7th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
On my Samsung Box I performed a manual scan for Challenge and Challenge+1. Once it completed I selected “Save” and both channels were added to my all channels list in non-freesat mode. Two other channels also were added but I deleted them as they aren’t free to air.
I then manually scanned for PICK TV and PICK TV+1. Once I selected “Save” I found that they weren’t added to my all channels list.
Has anybody else experienced this?
Thank you
stillgotaboxQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Not got a Samsung so can’t comment but since they are both on the same transponder it’s not logical.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Sorry misread your post. I meant Pick and Pick+1 are on the same transponder but not on the same transponder as Challenge and Challenge+1. Stored ok on my Manhattan.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 10:08 am
All i want is channel 5 hd, then I’d be completely happy with freesat, anything else would just be a bonus.
CliveQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am
What’s the best freesat box to store non freesat channels in the guide with freesat channels can anyone help thanks
DaveQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Maybe, but I would say less than 1% of the population own a horse and that isn’t enough to justify wasting channel space. Millions of people are into PC and console gaming (which is becoming bigger than the film industry) but I do not see any gaming channels!
simonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
What space are they wasting exactly???
adminQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The Manhattan Plaza HD allows Freesat and non Freesat channels to be stored in the same favourites lists but not in the Freesat EPG as that is not allowed by Freesat. 8 favourites lists are provided. One button push from Freesat channel list to non Freesat channel list, separate lists for Freesat and non Freesat radio. It couldn’t be easier or are you talking about hacked firmware here to add non Freesat channels to the Freesat EPG.?
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
DaveQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
It has been said today by Bernie Ecclestone that F1 may not be available FTA i.e. BBC Freeview or FreeSat in the UK in future because, and I quote, “Sky reaches over 10 million households, we don’t get 10 million on the BBC, normally about six or seven million”.
This thick as a plank so and so can’t even tell what the different is between potential and actual audiences so selling FreeSat got to be an up hill struggle if anybody actually listens to these planks.
ChrisKQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Maybe thats because the ones that have tried didnt last very long due to terrible viewing figures!
RoscoQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Oddly enough, whenever mainstream channels have done (usually one-off) gaming programmes, they’ve apparently been rather popular, but the channels apparently aren’t wanting to do more due to some weird attitude about gaming competing with television. You’d think if that were the case, they wouldn’t have any sport of film-related programming either…
(Of course, that’s just anecdotal stuff I got from Dr. Ashen on YouTube; it might not actually be true!)
MuzerQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Well none at the moment I suppose….lol…freesat isn’t exactly packed like freeview is it.
simonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The current deal runs to 2018 but I think it’s a dead cert that eventually the lot will go behind a paywall, very sad if you want my opinion.
NeilQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
So not wasting any then! Freesat doesn’t have such limitations on space and satellite bandwidth is never going to be a problem like terrestrial bandwidth.
adminQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Many of the previous game shows were a bit rubbish or put on at times when knowbody was interested in watching. Bits was one of the best, it had fairly good game content and some nice babes thrown in too! It came on a bit too early though meaning a lot of the good 18+ games could not be shown. Gamesmaster was naff and aimed at kids. Movies, Games & Videos was also naff made worse by an US presenter, it also came on 12pm or 2am! What we need is a gaming show presented by the Gadget Show team!
simonQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
hi admin or anyone when are Manhattan bringing there PVR out
daveQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Sky ran a technology channel [.tv] formerly the computer channel for a number of years before killing it off. Used to watch it all the time. I would agree there’d be definite interest in a computing / gaming / technology / gadget channel … something like a cross between BBC Click, GamesMaster, [.tv], and The Gadget Show … there could even be a slot for mobile phone stuff that was small change when [.tv] was around.
There’s enough daily news in the IT / technology arena to keep a daily hour bulletin going and enough product launches to sustain a regular show.
Plus it could show films based on games or technology …
Just a thought!
RichQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Manhattan will confirm a date with me next week.
adminQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Theres transponder space for at least 100 SD channels to launch tomorrow should they so wish. So no space wasted AT ALL
RoscoQuote
June 8th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I remember that channel, never really saw much of it as my only time subscribing to Sky was back in the Videocrypt days of analogue Sat TV in 1998!! The problem with a gaming channel is how would you fill all the time as there’s only so much to put on I guess?? That’s why channels such as Info TV and Showcase are good as they allow niche broadcasters/producers to air programming and collectively can fill a full channel on it.
NeilQuote
June 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I’ve contacted Samsung Support. I have all other free to air channels already in non-freesat mode, so I decided to do an auto-scan thinking PICK TV would be picked up that way, but it wasn’t. 50 other channels were including radio but not PICK TV. I’ll see what Samsung say.
stillgotabocQuote
June 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Maybe they could show live nightime gaming blocks? just set-up a server of some game (maybe cod) and just have it on all night… filter out the chat if you have to, put up some banner ads on ocasions or use an ingame ad service like counter-strike source has. maybe allow text(sms) voting on next map on, chatting etc…
also find partners with websites who allready do studio shows gamespot, gametrailers, twit tv etc & not do uncessary spendings.
SonnyQuote
June 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Have you a dect phone near your Samsung box. The pick tv transponder suffers from interference from some dect phones. If you have a digital wireless phone near your receiver move it away and scan again. It works for me!
ShaneQuote
June 10th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Because watching people play video games is more fun than playing video games? :/
MuzerQuote
June 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Someone mentioned Info tv/Showcase and they have a few gaming shows, Playr, Playr Guides and PWNED are usually shown everyday across their channels. There was once an FTA video gaming channel called Game Network which gradually switched to phone in quiz scams and porn before closing in 2006.
CarlQuote
June 10th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Yeah. I think more viable would be a gaming programme on at a reasonable time of day on one of the mainstream channels, like there apparently (I’m too young to know!) used to be on C4. But they do seem to have some strange aversion to gaming programmes, and I don’t really know why.
MuzerQuote
June 10th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Just like football or any other sport on tv then
SonnyQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Yes I have, howeverI unplugged it and scanned again but it still wasn’t added to my all channels list.
stillgotaboxQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
In any event it would only effect it when making a call . We don’t know what is going on with Pick and Challenge yet. Wonder if they are staying FTA or even coming to Freesat EPG soon.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Do you have a BT Homehub nearby – they are notorious for causing problems.
RoscoQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
No. Did an auto scan again and only two channels were added to my list. Both channels have a number for the name and wern’t free to air. Also tried manually adding UMP Stars as it’s free to air on Sky but with no success.
Seemingly it detects the channels, it seems pressing “Save” doesn’t do anything.
stillgotaboxQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Hi so will pick tv and challenge be coming to freesat
Now they have gone FTA is this easier for freesat to get them
DaveQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Certainly opens the possibility but that is very much down to the broadcasting companies and also whether these channels are fta for a reason, or permenatly.
adminQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Pick TV is Sky 3 as was. Seems unlikely that this will ever join Freesat (they’d have to pay money to the competition!) though hopefully it will remain FTA.
Brian DamageQuote
June 11th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Switched back and forth between non-freesat and freesat. When back in non-freesat mode I did another manual scan. Once again got the message that 15 tv stations and two radio stations were found. This time after selecting “Save” Pick TV+1 was added to my list albeit with the name of “4624″.
Samsung support advised me to contact freesat.
stillgotaboxQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
They arent competition, stop that sort of talk please… Free tv will allways exist. plus Sky allready sell ads on freesat channels.
SonnyQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 9:10 am
It certainly looks like there’s something happening, whether they’ll join Freesat is another question but why these services have gone FTA rather than stayed (or gone in Challenge’s case) FTV is interesting. I do wonder if the BBC and ITV told Sky to play ball and put all their FTA services across all platforms? Maybe it was a deal breaker for allowing the value ITV and the BBC’s on-demand services will add to Sky’s platform?
I watched a bit of Pick TV over the weekend, not amazingly interesting programming as it’s old churned Sky stuff but the amount of promotion to Sky1 programming during ads is unbelievable, literally every other ad was for something on Sky1 or Sky Living so I guess it’s seen by Sky as a barker channel for promotion. Challenge seems to have a lot of Sky ads but not as many as does Pick TV.
NeilQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I’m flabbergasted by your attitude. How does something that you get for free owe you anything?
SpannersQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
@David7 The dismal picture quality on Channel 5 is down to Channel 5. Nothing to do with the Electronic Program Guide called Freesat which channels choose to be listed on (or not).
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 11:32 am
What about FSFS? You’re saying Freesat aren’t competition to Freesat from Sky?
MuzerQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
2 things I’d like to ask: #1. When are freesat going to introduce ITV Calendar Yorkshire/Lincolnshire region? I am not interested on Yorkshire W. And before you mention it I know BBC Look North/Lincolnshire is my designated channel on EPG. Just don’t like it. #2. Why is there no direct link to BBC iplayer like there is on Sky and Virgin Media without physivally having to hook up to my internet connection? Thank you.
Kelvin RiachQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
There’s a new SID with HD test card appeared on 12207V 27500 3/4 DVB-S2 (the Txp carrying the temporary C4HD last Spring/Summer) if anyone’s interested.
NeilQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Pick TV and it’s +1 now encrypted…
Phil_iamQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Pick TV and +1 are now encrypted as stated at http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=58789888&postcount=112
stillgotaboxQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Why do the do this let you watch then take away thanks
DaveQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Because they want you to subscribe! Either that or they were doing something to test the feasibility of putting these services FTA.
NeilQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
this is the best reason for people to leave SKY cos they give a channel then take it away thats the usual murdock way …..
so the next good thing to happen to freesat will be G2 box hopefully soon
daveQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Not likely to subscribe to that load of old rubbish. If that’s the best they can do we are well rid of them.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Pick and Challenge are in the clear again.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Soon – they moved to the UK beam on Astra 1N a few days ago in preparation for going fta. Presumably the encryption contracts are coming to an end for the half dozen or so encrypted ITV regions.
RoscoQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Sure are. Challenge never went encrypted did it?
NeilQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Er, what? There is a direct link to BBC iPlayer, but you’ll need to have hooked it up to your internet connection, as you do as well on Sky and VM… how else do you think it’d work, magic? :/
MuzerQuote
June 12th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Dont know. I didn’t check just assumed.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 12:47 am
I checked mid afternoon and Challenge was still FTA whilst Pick TV had gone encrypted.
NeilQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Interesting. I wonder what Sly are up to and if it’s related to DSO in the South East.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 11:20 am
No need for sarcasm Muzer. On WM all I had to do was select BBC iplayer and I could catch up with anything, with no annoying ‘You do not have enough bandwith.’ Messages. Maybe because I had WM Broadband, the connection was probably automatic. So please no more of your lack of intelligent comments. All I asked for was a straight forward answer to my question ok
Kelvin RiachQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Sorry, I was mainly checking that I understood your question as I wasn’t quite sure if that’s what you were asking
To answer your question sensibly, yes, you do need an internet connection on all platforms listed; you’re right, on VM you presumably get the internet connection through the cable anyway so you don’t have to worry. Since you can’t get internet via satellite on Freesat’s and Sky’s satellite position at least, you will need to hook the box up to your router with an ethernet cable, possibly via Homeplugs or one of those ethernet-wifi adaptors.
MuzerQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 11:33 am
What is WM?
adminQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Perhaps he means VM Cable TV. virgin media.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Wirgin Media
adminQuote
June 13th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
We have just had our digital terrestrial change over this morning. One of the channels on Freeview is Pick TV and it was not encrypted. Seemed good quality picture and I watched the end of a Star Trek Voyager episode. I am pleased that we have now got back Dave and Yesterdays. Personally I am glad to have both Freesat and Freeview as I have the best of both worlds. Each platform offers content which is unique and as my TV is a few years old the integrated receiver is pre T2 so I am reliant on Freesat for HD.
Another advantage of having both systems was demonstrated last Friday as I found watching satellite difficult as the high winds kept blowing my dish out of alignment. Likewise should there be a power failure at the terrestrial transmitters I have satellite to fall back on.
Kevin Ver1Quote
June 13th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Yeah, that’s generally the best way, having both!
MuzerQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 12:21 am
I doubt it’s DSO related as the lions share of Tx sites are all DSO’d, plus these channels have been encrypted on Satellite for as long as they’ve existed. Definitely worth keeping an eye on but I do seriously hope both ITV and the BBC told Sky that if they want their on-demand platforms Sky play ball and put all their FTA services on both UK FTA platforms. It’s about time the PSB’s, especially the BBC, dangle the carrot in front of Sky’s eyes rather than the other way around!!
Maybe on the other hand with all this Leveson, Ofcom and political pressure on News Corp and to a lesser degree BSkyB (apart from Ofcom’s) they’ve decided to show ‘willing’ by putting them on Freesat, I’ll be amazed if they do!
NeilQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Look what I just received…review to follow in the coming days hopefully
adminQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I’m jealous, can you send it to me when you’ve finished
Just the job for Pick (for Star Trek Voyager and Stargate Universe) and Challenge not to mention Travel, Sly News and Horse and Country. Also it’s a Freesat PVR
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 9:21 am
It looks good hopefully performes as well
And I agree about sky letting some of there channels on
FTA they only do it if they get something in return like iplayer
When is this manhattan PVR available in shops
DaveQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Before anybody comments on the large cooling slots it’s because there is no fan.
Oh and STV HD (see post above).
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Can’t say at the moment, I have to wait on Manhattan because of their existing NDA with Freesat.
adminQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Sly (Sky) have paid through the nose for the footy and will (almost) certainly try to get the increased money back by substantially increasing subs in the short/medium which is potentally good news for Freesat. Sly will pay any amount for the footy it seems. Wayne Rooney on a £million a week soon then?
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 10:25 am
OK, I think I’ve finally found out the bug on the samsung box that is causing me this. Detail’s later once I’ve confirmed it once I upgrade to the latest software and repeat. I’ve reset the box to factory defaults at present.
stillgotaboxQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Looks nice, looking forward to reading the review.
I saw that on the news last night, Sky subs will definitely increase as the total cost of this deal represents a 70% increase. There’s no mention of ESPN, do we assume they have lost their share of the deal to BT (possibly on costs)?? I think it’s good BT getting involved as they will dilute Sky’s monopoly a bit, even though the share of games is lower. Footy players are well overpaid as it is!
NeilQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
They have, ESPN didn’t win at all.
MuzerQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
So is that the end of them or will they show other sports? I presume Sky just kept bidding and bidding with an open chequebook knowing if they loose the EPL, that’s them done pay TV-wise.
NeilQuote
June 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
So for example if channel a and b are on the same frequency and I manually scanned for them, I delete channel b which is encrypted. But then channel c has become free to air. But when I perform another manual scan, it is detected but it doesn’t save because I have previously deleted another channel on the same frequency. If I don’t delete channel b and perform another manual scan, channel c is added to my all channels list.
My message to Samsung Support:
“I can now confirm that regarding my messages below the problem isn’t
with freesat. I can confirm that it i a bug with this samsung box. I
know this because of the following. I reset the box to factory defaults
and Idid a manual scan. A bunch of encrypted and free to air channels
were added to my all channels list.
I deleted all the encrypted channels, and I unintentionally deleted one
of the free to air channels as well. So I did a manual scan again and I
pressed save and no channels including the deleted free to air were
added to the list.
I repeated this using different frequencies with the same results. It
turns out that if channels that have the same frequency are deleted from
the all channels list, and then a manual scan with the same frequency is
performed at a later time, even though save is selected at the end, no
channels will be added to the list.
I tested this again and repeated the bug using the latest software. I
hope this makes sense and the bug is resolved.”
stillgotaboxQuote
June 15th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Hi admin got a email with review for your manhattan box but nothing there is this a error
DaveQuote
June 15th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Please ignore, the review isn’t available yet, the system just decided to notify everyone of an unpublished draft story!!!
adminQuote
June 15th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Ok thanks have you checked box out yet
Any good features
DaveQuote
June 15th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
The receiver is excellent, very impressed, should do well.
adminQuote
June 15th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Samsung have offered a repair of my box so it seems this issue isn’t ‘widespread’ if you will.
stillgotaboxQuote
June 16th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
non Freesat FTA
Pick TV Drama: Star Trek: Voyager, Lie To Me, Stargate Universe, Spartacus Blood & Sand .
Jazeerachildren fta good PQ. cartoons in Arabic.
Africa Channel Soaps etc in English.
Manhattan for customer friendly FTA and Freesat modes.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 16th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Richard, what does the Africa Channel show, presume it’s low grade type stuff?? I’m surprised Jazeerachildren isn’t on the platform.
NeilQuote
June 16th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Africa Channel shows some of the top-rated soaps/dramas from Africa (obviously) along with news/chat shows etc. Picture Quality is very good too, there are 1 or 2 gems on non-freesat mode, although its a bit hit and miss what with no 7-day EPG available. Channels i like are- Travel channel, Sly news, Record tv(brazil),PCNE(chinese news/documentary) BEN(africa) also has an english football phone-in show on occasion too.
roger mellieQuote
June 17th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Can anyone with the Samsung box please see if they can replicate the issue so I know whether or not to send my box for repair?
http://www.joinfreesat.co.uk/update-scan-060612#comment-51162
Thank you
stillgotaboxQuote
June 17th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Thanks to Rob for the following.
14/06/12 ‘I Gotta Feeling’ that the BBC HD Olympic Streams will appear on 12.129 V, 12.402 V, and 12.441 V (12.421 H is also a possibility) and the remaining BBC SD Olympic Stream 8 screens will either be on 11.642 V or the BBC’s existing 11.954 H, just remember where you heard this first, I seem to remember saying that on other occasions too! LOL!
http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/latestnews.htm
14/06/12 The BBC’s Olympic Streams are now also testing free to air in SD on the Eurobird 28A satellite at 28.5 degrees east frequency of 11.469 Horizontal, Symbol Rate 27.500, FEC 2/3 these are a further 8 numbered channels which are for BBC Olympic Streams, these 8 channels are named as follows – ’7804′, ’7810′, 7816′, ’7822′, ’7824′, ’7830′, ’7836′, and ’7842′, yesterday the Astra satellite at 28.2 degrees east frequency of 10.920 Horizontal, Symbol Rate 22.000, FEC 5/6, became active with 8 numbered channels and they are named as follows – ’7802′ (showing one of the BBC’s Sport Streams from 11.954 H), ’7808′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 5), ’7814′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 8), ’7820′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 11), ’7826′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 16), ’7832′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 17), ’7838′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 20) and ’7844′ (showing Olympic Streams Stream 23), the BBC announced that it would have 48 Olympic Streams, 24 in SD and 24 in HD, more details soon. TOM?
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 19th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
lol now freesat has two channel4 HD listed on its website
SonnyQuote
June 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
it must be the only way to get more channels on there website
daveQuote
June 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9342093/BBC-iPlayer-to-let-viewers-rewind-live-TV.html
Wonder if this will eventually apply to Freesat. It says internet connected tv’s but no mention of Freesat by name.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Yes, part of G2 spec but operates slightly different than this.
adminQuote
June 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Is there any more news on when details on the G2 spec will be released?
Mark WhiteQuote
June 20th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Was supposed to be July.
http://www.satbuyer.co.uk/manhattan-plaza-g2-s-freesat+hd-500gb-digital-box-p147.html
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
I think if you look at previous post by admin
They said may and June for spec of the G2
DaveQuote
June 21st, 2012 at 11:44 am
Err why do you keep taking my messages off
All I said was .you said would be info on G2 in may/ June lol
DaveQuote
June 21st, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Not removing them, they just keep ending up in the spam folder for some reason. Now back on.
adminQuote
June 21st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The first transponder of BBC Olympic HD channels has gone live for testing, its as follows
Freq: 12422 H
Symbol Rate: 29500
FEC: 3/4
DVB-S2
QSPK
1920 x 1080i 16:9, 2 channel stereo
Its on Astra 2A
ianQuote
June 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Also more HD Olympic tests on..
12.402 V SR 29500 FEC 3/4 (DVB-S2 HD)
7807: BBC Olympics 4
7819: BBC Olympics 10
7829: BBC Olympics 15
7841: BBC Olympics 21
And Star Plus HD on 12606V – 27500 – 3/4 DVB-S2
Phil_iamQuote
June 22nd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Thanks very much Phil.iam
ianQuote
June 22nd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
STV HD no longer available it appears.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 22nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
It changed PID and then encrypted which is odd..
Im wondering if the test card on 11053H labeled as 7480 that has TNS HD on it is infact STV HD for an actual DSAT launch, of an official kind, not just uplinked by Sky with 2 ITV1HD regions.
Tried to get a-hold of a friend that works for TNS but went to voicemail unfortunately
ianQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Did auto scan for non Freesat channels. 7480 didn’t come up. Did manual scan on 11053H. Nothing.
It’s about time STV stopped messing about and put STV HD on Freesat. Is that too much to expect STV?
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Thanks to Rob for the following info. http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/astra1n.htm
22/06/12 STV HD has gone from 10.936 Vertical on the Astra 1N at 28.2 degrees east, this channel has been free to air for a long time with it’s ’3855′ channel name, a new encrypted channel has appeared on this frequency which is named ’3825′, the EPG information on this channel is showing programme information for the UK channel ‘Alibi’, one thing to add is that ’3855′ has not as such been replaced by ’3825′ because ’3825′ has different video and audio PIDS to ’3855′ so theoretically as there are only three channels on this frequency then ’3855′ (STV HD) could possibly make a return to 10.936 Vertical or could ’7480′ on 11.052 Horizontal be the new home for the supposedly soon to launch STV HD!
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Anyone have a clue what channel number 4seven will launch on in 2 weeks?
digiwatcherQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
Just to point out here, that i was only speculating the TNS HD test card would be for STV HD. Not a clue why folks are taking it as gospel, just an idea, not a fact.
This aint DS, the land of self proclaiming bull-Bleepers that claim to be factual when they are far from it.
(No, not you Phill)
ianQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
I’m led to believe it will be slot 127.
adminQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Glad to hear it’s not me lol..
Some people read things on here and DS then add their own blab to it, and then others add more to that which in turn leads to bull-bleep…
Phil_iamQuote
June 23rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Not you and not Phil Owens either, just to clarify.
ianQuote
June 24th, 2012 at 11:04 am
269 – it’ll replace More4 +2 (unless C4 have a mini reshuffle up their sleeves of course)
RoscoQuote
June 24th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
What about G2 spec is there any chance it’s coming soon
Also is there any info – about pick tv or challenge coming to freesat
DaveQuote
June 24th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
That is the current channel number for Sky, so is it going to be the same on Freesat?
CarlQuote
June 24th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Eh?
How did you work that out? This is Freesat, not Sky, do keep up
ianQuote
June 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Not likely. No Sky channel has ever come to Freesat epg even as a barker channel which is all Pick is.
G2 is coming soon (apparently) but how soon who can say. STV HD and YouView have been coming soon for over a year and still no sign of them.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Oops – apologies – wasnt thinking there was I
RoscoQuote
June 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Hi just seen google tv coming soon
As I’m to believe the G2 is gonna be like this hope they get here soon or they may be behind before they even start
DaveQuote
June 25th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Freesat does not use channel 269 does it?
digiwatcherQuote
June 26th, 2012 at 2:07 am
ianQuote
June 26th, 2012 at 7:03 am
4Seven is now being promoted on C4′s main channel, talks about launch on the 4th but with no LCN’s mentioned for any platform yet! I’m presuming it too will launch on 127 as it’s been reserved since the C5 channel launches back in December.
NeilQuote
June 26th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
StarPlus HD now encrypted
And according to Channel4, new channel, 4Seven will indeed launch on 127
ianQuote
June 26th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Have C4 put their FS LCN on to a press release as I can’t find it listed on their site? Caught a bit of StarPlus HD this morning as not had the chance to see it with being out of the country, very impressive PQ whilst it lasted FTA.
NeilQuote
June 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Star Trek Voyager starting on Monday 2nd July on CBS Action a much better channel than the non Freesat Pick Sky barker channel.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Why are C4 lauching another (yawn) SD channel at this time in history all new services going forward should be HD. You can’t turn back the clock and yes I know all the arguments for and against HD.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Yep, another Repeats/Catch up service, I guess a positive is that its another EPG slot being filled along with revenue for Freesat. Also easier for people who are’nt hooked up to Ch4′s 4OD service via internet to catch up too.
roger mellieQuote
June 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The upside of this channel is that it will show C4′s other factual programming rather than the inane lifestyle type stuff they just tend to show these days! I was disappointed to see Despatches seems to have had the chop down to 30 mins too now!
There will be some movement on the HD side of things from C4 as your right, HD is the way forward and with the major PSB’s all going for HD commissions only it’s about time their sister channels all had HD equivalents on Satellite where the bandwidth exists.
NeilQuote
June 29th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Teletext ch 986 seems to have disappeared from Freesat.
roger mellieQuote
June 29th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
ITV1 HD in non mode freesat shows no signal also the red button not working for HD on ITV1 London freesat mode.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 29th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Thanks to Rob for this info.
UPDATE 29/06/12 It is back! STV HD has returned to Astra 1N frequency of 10.936 V, the channel is still named ’3855′ and has the same PIDS as it had before it was removed, 10.936 V has changed parameters to DVB-S2, SR 23.000, FEC 8/9, this change means STV HD cannot be manually added to the UK’s Sky Digital receivers also it still cannot be added to the UK’s Freesat receivers (excepting the Humax brand), you need a DVB-S2 compliant free to air receiver to view this channel.
http://robssatellitetv.webs.com/astra1n.htm
29/06/12 They did it this time, Astra 1N at 28 degrees east frequency of 10.936 Vertical has changed parameters, it is now in DVB-S2 with a Symbol Rate of 23.000 and FEC of 8/9, all channels have returned, these channels on this frequency are still the free to air ITV 1 HD Granada, the encrypted ITV 1 HD Central and the encrypted 3825 (Alibi HD), all the PIDS are the same as they were previously
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Just added 3855 STV HD and ITV HD to my Manhattan favourites list again so its not just the Humax as Rob says.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 30th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Rob has updated the above: UPDATE 29/06/12 It is back! STV HD has returned to Astra 1N frequency of 10.936 V, the channel is still named ’3855′ and has the same PIDS as it had before it was removed, 10.936 V has changed parameters to DVB-S2, SR 23.000, FEC 8/9, this change means STV HD cannot be manually added to the UK’s Sky Digital receivers, also it still cannot be added to the some of the UK’s ‘Freesat’ receivers but some brands like the Humax, Panasonic, and Manhattan Freesat receivers will add STV HD, naturally a dedicated free to air receiver which is DVB-S2 compliant has no problems with adding/viewing this channel, I have way too much satellite equipment in my ‘factory’ and I draw the line on possessing every brand of receiver! LOL!, many thanks to all who mailed me clarifying the different ‘Freesat’ branded receivers capabilities regarding STV HD.
Richard CrichtonQuote
June 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
As the symbol rate has changed it looks like my BS750 has the same symptoms as previously whereby as there’s no SID change the unit won’t recognise the new DVB-S2 parameters as it still thinks it’s DVB-S. The solution to this with the BBC HD Txp modulation change was a complete reset which I’m not really in the mood to do this time as took ages!! Seen as I rarely record anything on ITV1 and can still get ITV1HD fine through both my Panasonic TV’s, which handled the changes fine, I’ll hang fire for a while as ITV1HD Granada may not remain on this Transponder for too much longer now Sky are filling it with another subscription HD channel.
NeilQuote
July 5th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Once again confirmed that its either an issue with my box or the latest firmware.
I’ve added the first 9 BBC olympic streams as shown at
http://en.kingofsat.net/find.php?question=olympics&Submit=Zap
I pressed saved and they were added to my all channels list. I then deleted all of them, and once again manually scanned for them. I once again selected save and this time they were not added to my all channel list.
I then added all the HD streams currently available and I won’t be deleting any of them.
stillgotaboxQuote
July 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I’ve now notified Samsung that it’s a firmware bug.
stillgotaboxQuote
March 13th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Hello all,
I just bought a Manhattan Plaza HDR-S as I was sick of sky’s prices, I am very impressed with the box so far, but I really want to be able to see Dave and Yesterday channels, I did a automatic tune of non freesat channels but they were not picked up, I wonder if anyone can tell me how I add those channels please ? A friend can view them on his freeview box he got from a bootsale for £3 ! thanks in advance.
Rob.
Robin CattaniQuote
March 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
You can’t, they are not available on freesat due to their subscription agreement on satellite with BSkyB.
adminQuote