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May 22 2013

Joinfreesat Update ScanLatest update scan on all Freesat receivers:

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3 changed – 803 Pitch TV renamed Armchair Shop, 520 Heat frequency change, 523 Magic frequency change

29 Responses to “Update Scan – 22/05/13”

  1. Neil Says:

    Heat and Magic look much better on their new Txp.

    Have a read of this, looks like things are hotting up in the EPG retransmission fee argument between the PSB’s and BSkyB, even suggesting the BBC may charge Sky for it’s content on their platform if not reduced to zero.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/22/bbc-sky-bskyb-retransmission-fees

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  2. nathan willliams Says:

    arm chair shop is rubbish channel shows repetative products not worth watching

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  3. Dave Says:

    Off topic abit , great to hear $ky not getting it all there way with the BBC
    Why don’t BBC pull there channels off $ly or are they not allowed to , I honestly don’t know .

    Cos if I remember few yrs ago $ly pulled there channels off VM .

    Maybe not even the same thing I’m just rabbiting :-)

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  4. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said:
    Heat and Magic look much better on their new Txp.
    Have a read of this, looks like things are hotting up in the EPG retransmission fee argument between the PSB’s and BSkyB, even suggesting the BBC may charge Sky for it’s content on their platform if not reduced to zero.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/22/bbc-sky-bskyb-retransmission-fees

    They should charge Sly in any event since they are the most watched channels on Sly or they should get a slice of Slys profits which is even more logical.

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  5. Richard Crichton Says:

    nathan willliams said:
    arm chair shop is rubbish channel shows repetative products not worth watching

    Glad I don’t need an armchair :D

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  6. Richard Crichton Says:

    Dave said:
    Off topic abit , great to hear $ky not getting it all there way with the BBC
    Why don’t BBC pull there channels off $ly or are they not allowed to , I honestly don’t know .
    Cos if I remember few yrs ago $ly pulled there channels off VM .
    Maybe not even the same thing I’m just rabbiting

    It’s ok to be off topic on update scan Dave.

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  7. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said: They should charge Sly in any event since they are the most watched channels on Sly or they should get a slice of Slys profits which is even more logical.

    Yep, just as News Corp charges DSAT providers for it’s terrestrial services in the US, very two faced.

    I think if the BBC are given free, or even paid access to Sky’s EPG this will result in more dosh available for other BBC ventures, eg more HD, in the future. Whilst ITV and C4 can “get behind the BBC” they’ve got a bit of a conflict of interest as Sky do already pay them to keep HD versions of their channels behind a paywall. I wonder how, if the BBC succeed together with ITV, C4 and C5, this will affect their paid HD arrangement?

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  8. Alex Says:

    I Heart Freesat :-).

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  9. dave Says:

    bought a 1tb freesat box,didn’t realise freesat is so impoverished with regard to content now have Tivo back for my own sanity,Freesat and Virgin but no way sly,if anything put that 10 year old sly dish to some use.

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  10. martin Says:

    Whats impoverished mean

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  11. Neil Says:

    The two new SID labels carrying Pick TV and Challenge have both been relabelled to “Sky Challenge TV FSAT” and “Pick TV FSAT”, presumably freesat’s EPG now points to these two SID’s? Can someone check (Harry Gibbs??) if 144 and 145 are now pointing to these two new SID’s? The associated VPID/APIDs for the old and new SID’s are the same, the new SID’s don’t carry teletext subs which is understandable as not relevant to freesat.

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  12. Rosco Says:

    martin said:
    Whats impoverished mean

    Impoverished = Poor.

    Its horses for courses though – if you want all the documentary channels etc then you subscribe to a pay tv service. If you want a reasonable selection of entertainment channels, & lots of news services then Freesat ticks many boxes.

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  13. Harry Says:

    Neil said:
    The two new SID labels carrying Pick TV and Challenge have both been relabelled to “Sky Challenge TV FSAT” and “Pick TV FSAT”, presumably freesat’s EPG now points to these two SID’s? Can someone check if 144 and 145 are now pointing to these two new SID’s?

    Have just checked- and yes, 144 and 145 are now pointing to the new SIDs.

    As I’ve posted elsewhere, ‘8900’ looks like it’s going to become BBC Red Button HD. It is now carrying now/next EPG data for ‘303’ – the BBC Red Button HD stream on DTT – although it’s still showing BBC Two. (Title= 303, Description= This is 303).
    The channel’s extended description says: “[4:3][Dolby Audio – BBC RB HD]”, and as mentioned before, ‘8900’ has freesat EPG data associated with it.

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  14. Neil Says:

    Harry said: Have just checked- and yes, 144 and 145 are now pointing to the new SIDs.
    As I’ve posted elsewhere, ’8900′ looks like it’s going to become BBC Red Button HD. It is now carrying now/next EPG data for ’303′ – the BBC Red Button HD stream on DTT – although it’s still showing BBC Two. (Title= 303, Description= This is 303).
    The channel’s extended description says: “[4:3][Dolby Audio – BBC RB HD]“, and as mentioned before, ’8900′ has freesat EPG data associated with it.

    Cheers Harry, interesting why Sky have done this for these channels and not also Sky News unless that’s to follow? What would be the advantage of this as both the new SID’s are pointing to the same VPID/APID’s?

    Interesting too 8900 appears now to have EPG data, looks like it is going to be Red Button HD. I guess they’ll utilise the 5th DTT HD stream for this too as given up finding a taker elsewhere for it!

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  15. Richard Crichton Says:

    The BBC has just wasted £100million of licence fee payers money on some digital project that they have had too scrap because it dosen’t work instead of giving us all their channels in HD :( They have got trheir priorities all wrong but are not at all aware of it.

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  16. dave Says:

    calm down people,i’m really just playing safe i now have 2TB of recording power all my free to air stuff goes on the freesat box,the best of US tv and Nat Geo etc goes on the tivo,as i have this as part of a bundle package the price is very low.

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  17. Steve Says:

    dave said:
    calm down people,i’m really just playing safe i now have 2TB of recording power all my free to air stuff goes on the freesat box,the best of US tv and Nat Geo etc goes on the tivo,as i have this as part of a bundle package the price is very low.

    Best of both worlds Dave :). if only VM was in my area of Sussex. If you have a Humax freetime box you can add extra recording power. Via the USB ports or connect it up to a Nas. Fantastic Box . Ideal for Networking

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  18. Neil Says:

    Richard Crichton said:
    The BBC has just wasted £100million of licence fee payers money on some digital project that they have had too scrap because it dosen’t work instead of giving us all their channels in HD They have got trheir priorities all wrong but are not at all aware of it.

    I was truly disgusted when I heard this on BBC Radio 4 yesterday. Money wasted in the wrong places, doesn’t do the corporation any good whatsoever, especially if the Conservatives get re-elected.

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  19. barrie Says:

    Off topic but any news on Netflix (or Lovefilm) apps for ?

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  20. barrie Says:

    Whoops lost freetime at the end of the sentence!

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  21. Dave Says:

    barrie said:
    Whoops lost freetime at the end of the sentence!

    I would like to know as well , I googled the question and no news since February
    So must be coming soon :-)

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  22. Neil Says:

    Looks like the BBC have come to their senses and realised that a single Red Button stream isn’t going to cut the mustard for their Wimbledon coverage! There’s two labels appeared on 12643 V, 27500, 2/3, 54380 and 54381, both in SD and earlier showing BBC related programming and test cards. With 8900 on 11023H they could have four streams, three in SD and one in HD, for Wimbledon, although I suspect the HD one will mirror the existing SD stream.

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  23. Andy Bell Says:

    I suspect the extra streams may be for something a little more exciting than a red button service… The BBC has consciously chosen to strip back the red button video service because of its financial situation so I honestly don’t think they’d hire extra capacity. I can’t help but wonder if the BBC is in any way involved with the transmission of the UKTV channels, at least technically if not financially. Could the new channel Drama be coming our way? The BBC test signal could be deceptive. This is pure speculation before anybody gets too excited!

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  24. Neil Says:

    Andy Bell said:
    I suspect the extra streams may be for something a little more exciting than a red button service… The BBC has consciously chosen to strip back the red button video service because of its financial situation so I honestly don’t think they’d hire extra capacity. I can’t help but wonder if the BBC is in any way involved with the transmission of the UKTV channels, at least technically if not financially. Could the new channel Drama be coming our way? The BBC test signal could be deceptive. This is pure speculation before anybody gets too excited!

    Hiring extra capacity for a Month here and there is a lot cheaper than renting a whole transponder, I suspected they’d go down this route after closing the other streams. These will have been put to air so to cover Wimbledon and Glastonbury as the BBC are covering the festival extensively.

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  25. Andy Bell Says:

    I agree Glastonbury is a possibility… But in the BBC’s current financial situation I can’t see them hiring capacity just for an improved red button satellite service for s couple of specific, but routine, events. The plan was always to go down to one red button screen even though that meant compromises. I suspect red button HD will be showing the same stuff as SD rather than provide an additional stream.

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  26. Neil Says:

    Andy Bell said:
    I agree Glastonbury is a possibility… But in the BBC’s current financial situation I can’t see them hiring capacity just for an improved red button satellite service for s couple of specific, but routine, events. The plan was always to go down to one red button screen even though that meant compromises. I suspect red button HD will be showing the same stuff as SD rather than provide an additional stream.

    Well I can tell you that although your right that they are reducing the streams, there seems to be a change of thought in terms of what is the BBC’s biggest sporting event, Wimbledon. It looks like they’ve bought some vacant capacity on the DTT ARQA Mux for LCN 302 and there’s two streams testing on DSAT so for Freesat (and Sky) we’ll see up to three SD streams.

    I’d have thought Red Button HD would be showing simulcast streams as SD too but maybe they will offer an alternative in an attempt to offer some sort of incentive for HD take-up. We don’t know if the HD Red Button stream will be permanent either, I’d hope it is and used for other purposes after Wimbledon.

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  27. Guy Says:

    Any idea if there are any cost barriers to Freesat adding channels like TV5 and other foreign language channels?

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  28. Neil Says:

    Guy said:
    Any idea if there are any cost barriers to Freesat adding channels like TV5 and other foreign language channels?

    TV5 at 28E is encrypted and must be part of Sky’s specialist packs?? If it ever goes FTA then there’s every chance of it joining.

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  29. Andy Bell Says:

    The BBC red button services have appeared on the EPG as normal channels, just like on Freeview. 980 and 981.

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