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February 23rd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Well, better to have one more non shopping / non God Squad / non smut channel than nothing at all. It will make Freesat just that teeny weeny bit more attractive to other broadcasters and may well spur additional interest.
It is also interesting to note such a major channel going FTA as opposed to FTV through paid packages.
Now, I might even go and watch a bit……………………….
Paul S WattsQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
and a transponder change to channel 402 Information TV 12523 H to 11623 H
GaseousClayQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Already added GaseousClay, but after the original post so might just have needed a page refresh
adminQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Funny that admin cos when I navigated to your front page it showed 0 changes so I clicked on the comments page and it too showed 0 changes.
GaseousClayQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I thought people were saying this will be HD??
PodgeQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
After that channel update anyone else lost the EPG information for ITV1 ? or it just me an my neighbour that are having the problem !
SteveQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
@Steve
Are you in the Central South region, as we believe it has been replaced by Meridian South today.
adminQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
@steve
Check the Freesat announcement page 999
- ITV have today made changes to some ITV regions.
JeffQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Check the News section of the Freeast Information channel on 999. This has information regarding changes to some of the ITV regions mentioned by admin.
Regards
Paul S WattsQuote
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Admin/Paul
Saw it was effecting Central South region and couple of others, but i’m in ITV1 Border..not metioned…i can still see the programmes, just no EPG…so cant record anything(also done a rescan of channels), I’ve e-mailed Freesat…so see what happens.
ta
SteveQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 7:31 am
I feel I was miss-led by the freesat ads, obviously if you can get freeview (which I can) then thats what you should do. freesat HD for me is one channel with very little on (bbc) and another with even less. after shelling out over £300 I don’t want to waste my money so I’m stuck with freesat. Can some tell me why you would want both freesat and freeview hd, cant see the logic with this surely freeview hd will have all freesat has to offer and more (oh yeah bbci) but I have a pc and anything worth watching is generaly repeated on another bbc channel anyway.
cidQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 7:55 am
cid – Which part of the freesat ads mislead you?
Freesat is for people who cannot get Freeview, I cannot get Freeview HD for another 2 1/2 years but I have been enjoying HD for free for over a year now.
Very little on BBC HD??? Kids programs, sports, nature docs, soaps, sit coms, stand up comedy, drama, music, cookery programs, history programs, american drama. These are the type of programs coming up over the next week. Switch over to ITV HD and there is European Footy, International Footy a few films, a soap and a drama and a chat show. All of this for free.
A minutes search on Google tells you everything you need to know about Freesat. Why don’t you sell you Freesat receiver on Ebay and use the money to pay for sky hd for 6 months?
JonQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 10:22 am
@Cid
Did you think all the channels on Freesat were HD then?
There is loads of stuff like CBS and Zone that are not on Freeview also you can get all the BBC regions which carry different versions of ‘Inside Out’ and other regional variations. if you live in Scotland like me you can get ITV London instead of the local STV alternative which does not even carry ‘The Bill’.
People in Wales will not get C4HD on Freeview they will get a Welsh language channel. Also Newsnight splits into Newsnight Scotland at 11pm but I can easily select Newsnight England, Wales or Northern Ireland on my Technisat although only Scotland has it’s own version. Freesat has much more potential for expansion in the long run than channel resrticted Freeview which will always be limited to 50 channels plus up to 4 in HD.
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 10:27 am
@5 Podge
It’s not even full SD resolution let alone HD They do an HD version in America only.
Tony HalesQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 10:30 am
I thought that freesat was going to be the next best thing in free television I didn’t know that freesat was for peeps that couldn’t get freeview, maybe I mis understood. I’ve had freesat since just before xmas i watch wild at heart i’ve seen a couple of footy games and the bill in hd on itv on the beeb i watched top gear once and watched Dr who with my son once. looks like i just made a bad choice. I didn’t think that all the channels would of been in hd however i was expecting more.
cidQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 10:55 am
You get what you pay for. Pay Sky £58 a month and get lots of HD.
Simples.
Tony HalesQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Meanwhile, back at the thread . . . .
I had a quick look at CNBC yesterday. The screen showed four separate pictures and six bars of information, most of which seemed to be scrolling. How does anyone extract anything useful from such a busy screen? How long is it possible to watch without throwing a brick at the screen? (or changing channels, which is cheaper in the long run!)
JockQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Great to see CNBC on FreeSat. We now have the choice between Bloomberg and CNBC for business news. The ‘ticker’ display can be a bit overwhelming at times, but I enjoy watching the world of business.
Does anyone know if ITV1 will be launching a, dedicated HD channel for the World Cup and what happened to ITV1+1 – both were rumoured to be available in December 2009 ?.
Also, an unwelcome thought, now that FreeView has HD channels will we (FreeSat) have to wait for new FreeView channel availability before it is available on FreeSat ? and when will FreeSat get some of the channels currently available on FreeView (Dave and Fiver etc. etc.) or once again is it due to space constraints on the 2C satellite ?.
DeniseQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
CNBC is great is you want the Yanks take on the world (which I don’t)!
PaulQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
I’M ALSO HAVING PROBLEMS WITH EPG GUIDE CAN’T RECORD ANYTHING ON 1TV1 AND I LIVE IN THE BORDER TV REGION I HAVE RESET MY FREESAT+ BOX TO FACTORY DEFAULT AND LET IT RETUNE EVERYTHING BUT IT HAS MADE NO DIFFERENCE HAVE EMAILED FREESAT AWAITING REPLY
BRIANQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
@Denise
No news on ITV1 HD, but with recent movements of regions, we can only hope they are making space.
ITV1+1 was put on hold a few months ago, so isn’t happening yet.
Freesat and Freeview work independently of each other and don’t carry the same channels, so for example C4HD will be on Freeview, but might not make it to Freesat due to their existing encryption contract with Sky.
Channels like Dave won’t come to Freesat unless they decide to drop subscription through Sky; very unlikely at this time but CNBC did it so there is hope for others.
Fiver and Five US cannot find space on 2D, or so channel Five are saying; they might just not want to leave the encryption service on Sky like C4HD. There might be more financial gain to encryption than free-to-air.
adminQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Thanks admin (21). I just thought with ITV1 re-shuffling some of their frequencies it was the prelude to ITV HD and/or ITV1+1. So ITV World Cup football via the, FreeSat, red button.
DeniseQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
BBC HD, Wimbledon, Olympics, Athletics World Championshps, Football,
BBC Proms, Glastonbury,Jools Holland, Strictly Come Dancing, Latin Music,
Dr Who, Wallender, Silent Witness, Mad Men, Inspector John Gently,
Survivors, Heroes, Being Human, Material Girl, Torchwood, Spooks,
The Tudors, Lark Rise to Cranford, Waterloo Road,
Natural World, South Pacific, Yellowstone, Life, How Earth Made Us,
Not Going Out, Gavin and Stacey, The Hustle, Top Gear, Armstrong and Millar.
ITV, The Bill, Wild at Heart, Doc Martin, Piers Morgen, Married Single Other,
European Championships, Champions League, Films etc,.
These are just some of the titles available to me since joining Freesat just before the European Football Championships.
Would I like more?, human nature says, Yes wouldn’t we all?
Do I think it has been value for money? Yes.
Previous to my venture into Freesat, I enjoyed or endured Four poor quality analogue channels, my reward, for 45 years of TV Licence dues including a digital supp., which was added some years ago. I live in an area of 6 to 8 thousand people so not in some far flung corner of the country.
I believe on 2012, we will be upgraded to a Second rate Freeview service, so I Iike many others, will still rely heavily on Freesat, which has for the first time, put me on par with other areas of the country.
ASKQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Steve
Re epg problem go to channel 977 on your epg guide and you will get ITV1 London you will be able to record programmes from that channel till all the updates have been completed. I to live in the Border area and was advised by someone at ITV to do this for now.
BRIANQuote
February 24th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
@Jock (17) “How does anyone extract anything useful from such a busy screen? ”
Yeah that sucks. Just compared Bernanke on Bloomberg and on CNBC. Doesn’t do CNBC any favours. I may email them and see what they say.
Kevin McFarlaneQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 9:01 am
This is the reason why I packed my freesat box up and bought Sky instead last week, bought my freesat box the day they came out and was sick of waiting for some decent channels to be added! Least with Sky I can now watch stuff in HD with more choice of channels other than shopping and god channels!
CarlQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am
@21 admin
I don’t get it. What is the point of 4HD being encrypted on Sky when anyone with Freeview HD will be able to watch it? What is the advantage to Sky or C4 in that arrangement? I’m rather puzzled by that. If I want 4HD I will get a Freeview HD box or television I won’t get Sky. Also C4 is supposed to be a public service broadcaster so having to buy into a closed platform like Sky to get it is plain wrong.
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 9:37 am
@Richard Crichton
But what if you are part of 25% of the population that can’t get Freeview but want C4HD? There would be no choice and Sky are taking advantage of this situation by offering C4 a deal to remain encrypted.
adminQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am
@ Carl (26)
God channels and shopping.
No wonder you packed it up…but….I would have suggested that you take it back to shop as it was obviously faulty.
I would re-read post 23 by ask
As this is just a slice of what you could have had and all for £13 (tv license) but the £50 for SKY (which I did have) is just an expense.
Sorry your box was faulty.
Ste RushQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
@ Ste (29)
No I could get all the channels but it would appear that all the new channels that were been added were either shopping channels or religious channels.
I bought the freesat box on the basis of there been 200 channels with HD channels (not jus the bbc hd and part time itv hd). I suppose I just lost patience waiting for some half decent channels that never turned up. At least with Sky I have 37 HD channels now and im getting use out of my HD tv. The quality of BBC HD on freesat has been dubbed down so much that its nearer the same quality as the SD version, however viewing BBC HD on my sky+ box looks exactly what I would expect a HD channel to look like, breathtaking.
CarlQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am
@Carl #30
Err, BBC HD on Sky is exactly the same as it is on Freesat, and to my eyes (with both my Panasonic Freesat TV and my Humax Freesat+) it is still way superior to SD. Are you sure you had your Freesat box connected correctly?
ChrisQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 10:37 am
@admin
Or is it a just devious move so Sky can deny Freesat 4HD and persuade people to join their closed platform?
@Carl
Many people would disagree about BBC HD looking breathtaking on Sky. It’s the same BBC HD as the Freesat one. They don’t have a special dumbed down version for Freesat.
The only difference is the box you were using and the box you are using now.
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 10:52 am
@ Chris (31)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1216315&highlight=bitrate
CarlQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:06 am
@Richard Crichton
Most likely, the only benefit to Sky is being able to claim an extra exclusive HD channel via a satellite platform and it is likely to pull visitors in.
adminQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:08 am
@Carl
In post #30 you say BBC HD looks breathtaking and in post #33 you provide a link that says that BBC HD looks poor. So which is it breathtaking or poor? Or am I missing something here?
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
BBCHD used to have the WOW factor now its more Meh, the 40% bitrate reduction is to blame. But I can confirm it’s the same on Sky and freesat, maybe a rebrand to BBC SD+ or BBC HD light is required.
Lee BQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
@ 35.
BBC HD on freesat is poor as they have dubbed down the bitrates, however on sky+ HD bbc hd is “breathtaking”.
CarlQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Carl – watch our lips! BBC HD on Freesat is exactly the same as BBC HD on Sky.
Yes, they have “dumbed down” bitrates and there have been huge discussions over that and as to whether it matters, but the fact is that the bit rates are exactly the same on Freesat and Sky – it’s the same channel! They do not broadcast one version for Freesat and another version for Sky.
It’s like saying that BBC Radio 1 sounds worse on one brand of radio than another because it’s transmitted differently to that brand only!!
ChrisQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
We in our household watch the normal channels mostly, like ITV1 (inc HD), BBC1/2 & HD, Chan 4, sometimes the other ITV or BBC channels so I’m not overly impressed at getting CNBC.
When we switch over to Freeview, we often watch Dave.
Derek BQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
@ Chris 38
Well my eyes and all of my mates arent lying when its plain to see the difference. Anyhoo this is going off topic. End of the day freesat just hasnt lived up to what was promised. 200+ channels and the hd coverage especially on itv is poor
CarlQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
I have just chekced my freesat box and I have no CNBC or channel 210, and it is now 2 days since the update, how do I get it, do I have to do a new install?
PhilQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I haven’t checked to see if I have cnbc, wouldn’t even know where to look, more news means more bad news wheres the entertainment !!
cidQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Just on the main tv guide
PhilQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
@Carl 40
Should have gone to Specsavers!!
Sorry could not resist…
shaneQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
@Carl – it may be how you’ve got your equipment set up? Freesat does deliver exactly the same as channel as $ky.
neilQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Everyone Knows when you pay for something, it improves tenfold.
I remember when UK gold appeared on the scene. I was told how amazing it was. The people trying to convince me to join the revolution, were the same people who had complained about all the repeats on terrestial tv.
Yes everything improves when pay for it.
ASKQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
So does anyone know how I can get CNBC, My system doesmt seem to have updated however Information TV has now become 58008??
PhilQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Just do a Re-Scan, And there it will be. Chris
chrislayerukQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
how? Will I lose all my stored non freesat channels
PhilQuote
February 25th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
I have 1 tv with freesat and 1 tv with freeview. I use freesat the most because i get nothing extra on freeview, when freeview here gets hd channels next month i would still only be able to get bbc hd and itv1 hd on freeview so no gain there.
I would love more hd content on freesat but it’s free so I aint complaining.
DIBQuote
February 26th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Please forgive me I am a new user to freesat, how do I do a rescan for new channels without having to do a first time install? If I did a rescan would I lose non freesat channels I have added shuch as Sky News, Heart FM, Luxe TV HD etc?
PhilQuote
February 26th, 2010 at 9:07 am
If you lose them you will have to add them again, only 3 channels so try it.
Then you can tell us.
It is Freesat and the Freesat will expand over time, so a re-scan will be part of your life whatever.
Just follow the menus to work out how to do it, or re-read your instruction book.
Some re-scans will be automatic, you will have no choice.
Cheers Chris
chrislayerukQuote
February 26th, 2010 at 9:14 am
I have a bush HD and there is no option for a rescan, only new install or adding non freesat channels, trouble is as well have over 100 additional channels.
An automatic rescan has been done though I think as Information TV has moved to 402 and is now called 58008? However no CNBC.
No instruction book either.
PhilQuote
February 26th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Hi all, dose anyone remember when sky first come to town when you had to go back to normal tv to get ITV. so why can we not get dave, gold ect on freesat it would be good if BBC and ITV did the same as sky
KevQuote
February 26th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
@54 – well for starters Kev the channels you desire have all signed long encryption contracts with Sky
“it would be good if BBC and ITV did the same as sky” – what encrypt and make you pay oodles of money every month??
RossQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 8:54 am
@34 Unlike ITV HD who claim to be ‘Freesat Exclusive’, Sky have never used the word in reference to C4 HD.
Freesat use ITV HD as marketing tool, which has pretty much failed, as now four times as many people can watch it via a Sky HD box.
derek500Quote
February 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am
@Derek500
Yes, maybe four times the number of people can but it’s not on the EPG so in reality how many people actually know how to add it? I’ve not seen one person who’s non-technically minded say “yep I often watch ITV HD via other channels”. How many people know freq, symbol rate etc etc.
NeilQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
For the vast majority if it’s not on the EPG it dosen’t exist.
How many Freesat owners know they can add Luxe HD in non Freesat mode?
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
@Derek500
“Freesat use ITV HD as marketing tool, which has pretty much failed, as now four times as many people can watch it via a Sky HD box.”
But how many of them can record it.. and don’t comeback with your figures of how many non-recording freesat boxes compared to recording freesat boxes have been sold. That is down to the user, whether they wanted the ability to record or not. 100% of HDR boxes can record ITV HD…. 0% of sky+HD boxes can record ITV HD.
GaseousClayQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
I wish i never bought my freesat pvr i hate knowing I’ve been ripped off !!!
cidQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
@ cid
You weren’t ripped off. You were just ignorant to the facts. Put it down to experience.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
GaseousClayQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
1. Why does every thread on this have to go off topic?
2. ‘cid 60
I’m personally delighted with my Freesat PVR, It does everything it was supposed to – but then I researched it before buying – I didnt assume it would do things it cant……….
BowWowQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
@BowWow
That is a valid point but we’ll allow ‘update scan’ posts to stray as they aren’t very specific anyway. Others though we’ll try to ensure remain ‘on track’.
adminQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
@59 I’m still of the opinion that the majority of non PVR Freesat owners are recording HD channels on their existing SD equipment without realising it’s not HD.
Is it explained by sales people that you need a PVR to record HD? I don’t expect it is.
derek500Quote
February 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
There will be more ITV programming in HD soon. Can’t really say too much at the moment but keep an eye out!
NeilQuote
February 27th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
@64 as you seem incapable of refering to me by my username will do the same for you..
where on earth do you dream this nonsense up? People who have become aware of freesat be it SD or HD will be perfectly capable of figuring out that the output to a non HD TV or DVD recorder will not be displayed or stored in an HD format. Freesat users are probably more techno savvy than your average sky user, you know the ones willing to part with crazy sums of cash to get a complete turnkey system installed without having to bother the poor old grey matter. You just won’t let up on the Sky propaganda. I can’t make my mind up on whether to feel sorry for you or just offer some good advice.. sod it I’m feeling generous…. Give it a rest your making a fool of yourself.
GaseousClayQuote
February 28th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
@Neil
But will Freesat carry it or is it just for the ITV1 HD and upscaled simulcast on Freeview? The red button service seems to be rationed for some reason.
Richard CrichtonQuote
February 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Given that (what looks like from the poll) two thirds of Freesat owners bought into it for HD channels, it makes sense that each ChannelScan update will bring cries of disappointment – I don’t think it’s off topic. Nor do I think that the same people didn’t do their research in some way. I remember many sources speculating about the arrival of other channels, this site included, even quoting dates that certain contracts ended . Freesat also seemed to be giving out a positive ‘vibe’ about possibilities from what I recall (albeit without any commitment).
I’m still optimistic about the other channels coming to Freesat. I don’t see how our authorities can allow a commercial distributor like Sky to discriminate against those outside the Freeview areas and charge based on what is a location based monopoly for channels those inside the Freeview areas will be able to get for free. That would be an afront to both the poll’s HD 63% and some of the ‘can’t get freeview’ 23% who also want HD.
JasonQuote
February 28th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
I agree with what Jason@68 says, but i’m afraid we don’t live in a fair world and I fear that FreeSat will be discriminated against and become the poor fallback for people who can not get FreeView HD.
OyodiQuote
March 1st, 2010 at 12:22 am
@Richard
ITV are planning a full launch of it’s HD channel on Freeview in April together with more HD offerings. This is when Freeview HD will get a commercial launch, likewise it’s *rumoured* ITV will possibly move from ‘Red Button’ status to a full time up-scaled channel on Freesat too.
NeilQuote
March 1st, 2010 at 9:59 am
@Neil
That would be good but raises the question of where the 2D narrow band capacity would come from for a full time ITV1 HD be it upscaled or not. Still, more HD offerings will be welcome even if delivered via the red button.
There is still the question of why BBC HD dropped their bitrate by 40% and what they are going to use the saved bandwith for. I suspect it will be used for red button services during the World Cup.
Richard CrichtonQuote
March 1st, 2010 at 11:18 am
There’s a thought doing the rounds that reshuffling could take place to remove two existing SD BBC1 regions from the BBC HD tp (on to other SD TP’s) then switching to DVB-S2 with the potential to then add ITV1 HD. It also means C4HD and Five could be added without much fuss at a later date and would give enough bandwidth for up to four HD services of around 11 or 12MB/service with 1-2MB of spare stat-Mux’d overhead capacity, all on Astra 2D.
This is *purely* speculation but in my opinion makes best use of bandwidth. Your Red Button bandwidth theory is also a good one for the World Cup. It may mean other services on the same Mux join after the world cup has finished? I spoke to someone at Freesat’s call centre who didn’t deny ITV HD was joining in April when they launch on Freeview but obviously couldn’t give definite confirmation.
I do think C4HD will join in time, however their exclusivity deal with Sky, I would hazard a guess, includes any other over-air platforms which may be why they are not yet on Freeview HD (but possibly at commercial launch in April?). Once on Freeview it makes the whole ‘Sky exclusivity’ thing not, well, exclusive, so I would like to then hope C4HD may soon after also go FTA on Satellite. There are also shared cost savings associated with this which make the whole Freeview/Freesat combined C4HD thing cheaper, same with ITV HD too!
ITV release their financial figures this week which I’ve heard are looking good so might have a few quid to invest in the next tax year (which co-incidentally starts in April too!).
NeilQuote
March 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
@Neil
Can Freesat HD boxes decode DVB-S2 or would they need upgraded firmware to make it happen?
Richard CrichtonQuote
March 2nd, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Most, if not all HD boxes/TV’s should do DVB-S2.
NeilQuote
March 2nd, 2010 at 7:03 pm
All people seem to do lately is moan about getting HD, Freesat is a good way to get loads of channel for free rather than be tied to greedy murdoch, there is allways something to watch, By the tongue in cheek another shoping channel noon wed Ideal world extra ch 812.
Alan MQuote
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:36 am
In honesty I’m more than happy than what Freesat provides and there’s loads of choice in SD + what HD there currently is. The only extra HD channel I would really appreciate is C4HD as I watch a lot of documentaries on C4. If no other HD content then came along for a while it really wouldn’t bother me too much!
NeilQuote
March 3rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
@Alan M
Ideal World already exists on 812, is Ideal World Extra another add-on shopping channel to Ideal World?? If so they’ll be higher up the EPG, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channels_on_Freesat
NeilQuote
March 15th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
According to BARBs latest viewing figures.
FTA TV accounted for 79% of all viewing
Subscription TV managed 15%
(The other 6% is from channels that either BARB do not count figures for, or the viewing figures for the individual channels are too small to count)
So people on average are only watching subscription TV 15% of the time, despite almost 50% of households having a subscription package.
And on that basis the average household that subscribes to Pay tv, must be watching FTA channels 70% of the time.
Richard CrichtonQuote