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July 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
at least we know there is plenty of capacity for HD channels
great to see this addition.
WouterQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Can anyone record the channels and has anyone got an EPG showing the football on the 27th? All the other days seem fine.
SLQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
If you cant wait for the automatic overnight update do a manual scan…. HD doesnt want to record but SD does on my Humax HDR,
Hopefully as they are not red button channels recording should be available at some stage soon.
KeithQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
25 added – 150 is the BBC Olympics interactive app that lets you choose which stream to watch.
MuzerQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Maybe this update scan should get the prize for the most added channels in one go!!
NeilQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Are the SD ones coming across for those with SD freesat boxes? They are there in non-freesat mode.
KeithQuote
July 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Great news. I just hope that there is heavy advertisement on screen about these channels being on Freesat too.
RowanQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Now i’m getting in the Olympic spirit( whatever that means)
steven.wQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 8:02 am
The interesting thing will be what will happen to these channels once the olympics are over?
The logical thing to do would be to use the capacity to introduce regional HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 and position these HD channels all together so that viewers are not forever searching for them. This must happen sooner or later, so why not now?
Lawrence PearceQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Lawrence an excellent idea and suggestion. Albeit Northern Ireland doesn’t go fully digital until later this year.
patsyQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I understand they will be switched off after the 3 weeks. Nothing has been communicated, to my knowledge, about a schedule for delivery of regional BBC1 in HD.
cotswoldredQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Simple why not-the cost and the fact that the BBC is financially constrained by having the licence fee increase frozen for the next six years. Sky is paying for these Olympic channels not BBC/ITV.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I had a forelorn hope that the BBC would use these channels and not trash their normal schedules for us non-believers, but looking at the week ahead I see those hopes are dashed – not even a few decent films thrown in to placate us.
Not only that, but ITV are using the opportunity to dig up a whole load of repeats to save a bit of cash.
I knew I should have booked a holiday – let’s hope the weather stays fine so I can sit in the garden and drink g&t’s until bedtime!
Al CatrazQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
What bugs me is why the bbc put these channels in the wrong area on the guide they should have put them in news and sports section and not the entertainment section.
Ian VallenderQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
They aren’t in the entertainment section. On my Manhattan that section only goes up to channel 143 then jumps to 950. We have a dedicated section for the Olympics and I haven’t got a problem with that.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Re: 14 Ian & 15 Richard, a new, dedicated, “BBC Olympics” section has been created in the Guide of my Humax Foxsat HDR.
John HerefordQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Channel 13 has been showing the live torch relay feed but I still cant record the HD streams. SD streams record OK in non-freesat mode.
I still cant see the SD streams in the EPG. Anyone know if they will appear? I hope they come across as recording everything I might want to watch in HD will chew up my Hard Drive space and spit it, out even though I upgraded it to 1TB a couple of years ago.
KeithQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
@Keith If it’s a HD box you won’t get the SD streams in the EPG.
“The full range of live BBC Olympics coverage will be available, subscription-free on Freesat and Freesat+ customers will be able to pause, record and rewind of all the action. HD viewers will automatically receive the HD versions of the channels, whilst non HD viewers will receive the SD versions. The same numbers apply for both standard and high definition.”
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
@8 steven, that means sit down and enjoy your gin & tonics, but not me I have more interesting things to do and I was an Army middle and long distance champion. Strange how old age changes you perspective
graham johnsonQuote
July 24th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
@ 18 Thanks Richard. Guess I’ll have to resort to non-freesat mode and use SD to save disk space on some recordings.
KeithQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Worse ever summer TV. Non sport TV is dominated by repeats of programs of a dull nature such as Parkinson interviews.
Kevin V1Quote
July 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Ya wait so long for extra hd channels, then a load come along filled with absolutely nothing to watch
stingeyalQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 11:20 am
That might be because the Olympics hasn’t actually started yet!!!
adminQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I know this is off topic, but challenge and pick tv, and their +1′s are broadcasting without any encryption. Anyone know why?
ScottQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
They’ve been doing it for ages. Sky have officially made them FTA now, as they now appear in Sky’s FTA list (I can’t remember what the URL is, but someone linked to it on D$ a while back…)
MuzerQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
So do any techie types know if they are now broadcasting the red button type steam that cannot be recorded and they will switch to a normal stream once the games start.
We are 2 hours away and we might not be able to record at all.
SLQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Im truly amazed at how people will complain about anything.
Moaning now in some places, because the channels have on-screen logo’s! I wish some people would get some perspective in life.
These people complain endlessly about it, yet how do they get on when they watch any other sports channel? Do they moan then? No!
Time to grow up.
(Rant over!)
ianQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Well they cant be recorded on my HDR, thats a huge OG by the BBC.
It was clear for days the channels cannot be recorded yet they still didnt fix it. Whats the point of 24 channels if you can only watch 1 at a time?
The DOG is awful though, looks like it was done by a 10 yo and is too big.
SLQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Or does stengeyal mean he dosen’t like the olympics/sport hence nothing to watch?
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Hmm… Getting nothing on 151-174, and red button service just loops back to itself. Just me? Just Panasonic? Anyone getting anything?
Brian DamageQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Olympic 1,2 &3 are working fine for the womens footie on my Manhattan.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I have a Humax HDR and I have just been able to set recordings through the freesat EPG for the Olympic channels. Maybe a change has been actioned to allow recording now
Derek (original)Quote
July 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Thanks. Still not getting anything here.
Luckily the GBvNZ match is on BBC1HD too.
Brian DamageQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
No, they havent changed it. Heres a list of the problems
Dog is huge and overlapping the score
sound is ahead of the game
cant record
sound isnt 5.1 and is very tinny.
Even ITV werent that bad. This is an awful effort from the BBC especially as they knew you couldnt record for at least 24h.
SLQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
@30 yep its what will be shown is unwatchable.
I dont do sports, oh yawn
stingeyalQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
does anyone know the url for the Olympic channels not on the sd channel guide? thanks
jamieQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Got all the Olympic channels – but I cannot record on my Humax Foxsat HD Freesat Plus box. It won’t record via the EPG or by pressing the record button!
Looks like I am not alone
Adrian LucasQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I have the HD channels on my Humax HDR recorder. However when I set a recording (or even if I just press record during a live broadcast) it appears like if it is recording but never gets past 1 min, and nothing appears in the media folder. The only thing I can do is cancel the recording. Big fail!
AlanQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
First time post!
Was considering upgrading my philips dvd/hdd recorder box I have had for almost 6 years now to a PVR. Compatible with Freesat of course!
But given the “issues” when things change etc I can’t see the point.
Guideplus technology is ancient but I can quite happily record any channel I wish on my freesat box as essentially I just record what is on the screen I guess. And I can burn to dvd stuff I want to keep!
Sure I won’t get the ultimate HD recording quality but its decent enough. And with the HD channels a burnt dvd is non too shabby.
Thinking I’ll stick with it as PVRs seem like far too much hassle. And I’ll only bother with the 100m final in the Olympics anyway
AlpdelQuote
July 25th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
I’ve only seen a bit of the womans footie tonight and not studied lipsync or anything like that so couldn’t comment, been a busy evening however later over the weekend when I’ve got time I’ll have a look at them all, presumably most will have content by then.
As for the BBC not seeming to care about these channels I do get the feeling they are seen as ‘invisible’ in their marketing PR. They talk about watching all 24 streams ‘on the web’ which is where they were originally destined, it’s Sky who made them the offer of hosting and paying for them all. I guess Sky asked the BBC who said “yes, on the condition they have to be FTA, on other FTA platforms and that we’re not responsible for the technical output, that’s your job”. I notice they have teletext subtitles, or at least the TXT indication is showing on my Panny TV’s, there’s no DVB ones though but that’s understandable as we’re talking about Sky here!
NeilQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Im glad you mentioned sky, I looked at their forum and there wasnt a single post pointing out that they couldnt record.
Looks like sky have crippled it for freesat which is standard behaviour for them.
The sound sych was obvious, the commentator was about a second ahead so talked about things before they happened.
SLQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Just to confirm, recording isn’t possible on Sky either, so it isn’t specific to Freesat or any brand of receiver.
adminQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Thanks Admin….You can record in non-freesat mode in SD my Humax HDR.
Installing the custom firmware for the Humax should put the SD channels on the freesar EPG . This would be a fix until, or if the HD recording problem, which is a known issue as you say, is resolved.
KeithQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Further to my post #32, on my Humax Foxsat HDR it is possible to set recordings of the Olympic channels, and those recordings show up in ‘Schedule’. When the recording start time arrives, the REC indicator on the front panel comes on and stays on for the length of time of the recording, giving all the indications that a recording is taking place, but nothing appears on the ‘Media’ recordings list.
Also, pressing Record when watching an Olympic channel also brings the Record graphic up and the REC indicator on the front panel comes on. Pressing stop recording brings up the dialogue “Select channels you want to stop recording”. Selecting the Olympic channel, then brings up the message “Recording (less than 30 seconds) may not be stored”, no matter how long it had been recording.
This is a very inelegant way of inhibiting recording from the Olympic channels as a) if you schedule a recordings it reduces the 2 simultaneous recordings that you can normally make to 1 even though nothing is actually being recorded, and b) it forces the Humax box to put up misleading and incorrect messages as above.
I have tried the same on a Panasonic G20 freesat TV with a USB HDD attached, and when trying to record live TV from an Olympic channel it puts up the message “USB HDD error”
Clearly, the BBC are protecting their investment in coverage of the Olympics by not allowing recordings, thus preserving future retail Bluray/DVD sales opportunities, but the method that has been chosen is the most ill conceived ever. It may be that this is not the BBC’s choice and all they do is set a ‘Not recordable’ flag in the transmission stream and that the problem is with the specification/implementation of this flag in the freesat spec.
Derek (original)Quote
July 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
They advertised them as being able to be recorded and time shifted. Basically they are worthless now and Id just record the BBC1HD and BBCHD programs and they dont have the awful dog as well, at least they moved it so it doesnt clash with the score now.
Either sky, freesat or the BBC have screwed up. It looks like no one told them to make them recordable and the DRM is preventing it which is stupid. Especially as they have known for 48 hours.
SLQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
This information is currently (26 July 2012 2-15pm) displayed on the freesat website:
(http://webcms.freesat.co.uk/how-to/faqs/olympic-games/?id=1217)
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Will I be able to record the BBC Olympic channels?
Yes. Because the 24 BBC Olympic channels are also available via the freesat EPG, freesat+ customers will be able to pause, rewind and record the action to watch again and again. Make sure you set the event to record from the EPG, as you won’t be able to record via the BBC Red Button.
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Left hand, right hand? Come on freesat (if you are monitoring this). Can we or can’t we record the olympics?
Derek (original)Quote
July 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Didn’t think Freesat used DRM as HD recordings are encrypted on the hard drive
to prevent them being copied.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
From fat-tony .Thanks
Twitter feed on the Freesat website implies that the problem lies with Humax -
“We’re sorry to say that Humax can’t currently fix the bug that prevents recording of the 24 Olympic Channels on their freesat+ box.”
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
From Freesat twitter feed.
We’ve tried really hard with Humax to sort out. You *can* record from BBC One & BBC Three. All other freesat+ boxes can record 24 streams.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
That’s odd the Humax won’t record these streams, I’m going to try on my Panny BS750 later. Is this the first time something actually works on Panasonic hardware which doesn’t on Humax!
Seriously though, what would there be bug-wise preventing these channels from recording? They are like any other channel on the platform with Freesat EPG data, I presume, embedded in the Transport Stream by the relavant data PID’s. It is poor if the Humax won’t record them considering this makes up about 60-70% of users hardware.
NeilQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
admin said it’s the same with Sky boxes so I’m rather sceptical about it being purely a Humax problem. Will try to record with my Technisat.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
That’s true, just the Freesat twitter messages seemed to suggest it only affected Humax users. Does this mean you can’t pause any of the live programming on these channels too?
NeilQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Neil
Confirming Olympic 1 and 2 record OK on my Technisat so I don’t know why they won’t work on the Humax.
Richard CrichtonQuote
July 26th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Please revert here to discuss the recording issues of the Olympic channels, thanks.
adminQuote
July 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Unbelievable. There are people on Fleabay selling information on how to get the Freesat channels on Sky boxes without a card (shock horror) and using the Freesat logo in their ads.
Richard CrichtonQuote
August 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Has anyone printed out and displayed the Freesat summer of sport wallchart.
It all helps get the word out.
http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php/download_file/3596/
Richard CrichtonQuote