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Jul 23 2012

Joinfreesat Update ScanLatest update scan on all Freesat receivers:

25 added – 150-174 BBC Olympic channels
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56 Responses to “Update Scan – 23/07/12”

  1. Wouter Says:

    at least we know there is plenty of capacity for HD channels :)

    great to see this addition.

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  2. SL Says:

    Can anyone record the channels and has anyone got an EPG showing the football on the 27th? All the other days seem fine.

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  3. Keith Says:

    If you cant wait for the automatic overnight update do a manual scan…. HD doesnt want to record but SD does on my Humax HDR,

    Hopefully as they are not red button channels recording should be available at some stage soon.

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  4. Muzer Says:

    25 added – 150 is the BBC Olympics interactive app that lets you choose which stream to watch.

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  5. Neil Says:

    Maybe this update scan should get the prize for the most added channels in one go!!

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  6. Keith Says:

    Are the SD ones coming across for those with SD freesat boxes? They are there in non-freesat mode.

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  7. Rowan Says:

    Great news. I just hope that there is heavy advertisement on screen about these channels being on Freesat too.

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  8. steven.w Says:

    Now i’m getting in the Olympic spirit( whatever that means)

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  9. Lawrence Pearce Says:

    The interesting thing will be what will happen to these channels once the olympics are over?
    The logical thing to do would be to use the capacity to introduce regional HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 and position these HD channels all together so that viewers are not forever searching for them. This must happen sooner or later, so why not now?

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  10. patsy Says:

    Lawrence an excellent idea and suggestion. Albeit Northern Ireland doesn’t go fully digital until later this year.

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  11. cotswoldred Says:

    Lawrence Pearce said:
    The interesting thing will be what will happen to these channels once the olympics are over?

    I understand they will be switched off after the 3 weeks. Nothing has been communicated, to my knowledge, about a schedule for delivery of regional BBC1 in HD.

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  12. Richard Crichton Says:

    Lawrence Pearce said:
    The interesting thing will be what will happen to these channels once the olympics are over?
    The logical thing to do would be to use the capacity to introduce regional HD versions of BBC1 and ITV1 and position these HD channels all together so that viewers are not forever searching for them. This must happen sooner or later, so why not now?

    Simple why not-the cost and the fact that the BBC is financially constrained by having the licence fee increase frozen for the next six years. Sky is paying for these Olympic channels not BBC/ITV.

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  13. Al Catraz Says:

    I had a forelorn hope that the BBC would use these channels and not trash their normal schedules for us non-believers, but looking at the week ahead I see those hopes are dashed – not even a few decent films thrown in to placate us.
    Not only that, but ITV are using the opportunity to dig up a whole load of repeats to save a bit of cash.
    I knew I should have booked a holiday – let’s hope the weather stays fine so I can sit in the garden and drink g&t’s until bedtime! ;)

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  14. Ian Vallender Says:

    What bugs me is why the bbc put these channels in the wrong area on the guide they should have put them in news and sports section and not the entertainment section.

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  15. Richard Crichton Says:

    Ian Vallender said:
    What bugs me is why the bbc put these channels in the wrong area on the guide they should haveput them in news and sports section and not the entertainment section.

    They aren’t in the entertainment section. On my Manhattan that section only goes up to channel 143 then jumps to 950. We have a dedicated section for the Olympics and I haven’t got a problem with that.

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  16. John Hereford Says:

    Re: 14 Ian & 15 Richard, a new, dedicated, “BBC Olympics” section has been created in the Guide of my Humax Foxsat HDR.

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  17. Keith Says:

    Channel 13 has been showing the live torch relay feed but I still cant record the HD streams. SD streams record OK in non-freesat mode.

    I still cant see the SD streams in the EPG. Anyone know if they will appear? I hope they come across as recording everything I might want to watch in HD will chew up my Hard Drive space and spit it, out even though I upgraded it to 1TB a couple of years ago.

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  18. Richard Crichton Says:

    @Keith If it’s a HD box you won’t get the SD streams in the EPG.

    “The full range of live BBC Olympics coverage will be available, subscription-free on Freesat and Freesat+ customers will be able to pause, record and rewind of all the action. HD viewers will automatically receive the HD versions of the channels, whilst non HD viewers will receive the SD versions. The same numbers apply for both standard and high definition.”

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  19. graham johnson Says:

    @8 steven, that means sit down and enjoy your gin & tonics, but not me I have more interesting things to do and I was an Army middle and long distance champion. Strange how old age changes you perspective

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  20. Keith Says:

    @ 18 Thanks Richard. Guess I’ll have to resort to non-freesat mode and use SD to save disk space on some recordings.

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  21. Kevin V1 Says:

    Al Catraz said:
    I had a forelorn hope that the BBC would use these channels and not trash their normal schedules for us non-believers, but looking at the week ahead I see those hopes are dashed – not even a few decent films thrown in to placate us.
    Not only that, but ITV are using the opportunity to dig up a whole load of repeats to save a bit of cash.
    I knew I should have booked a holiday – let’s hope the weather stays fine so I can sit in the garden and drink g&t’s until bedtime!

    Worse ever summer TV. Non sport TV is dominated by repeats of programs of a dull nature such as Parkinson interviews.

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  22. stingeyal Says:

    Ya wait so long for extra hd channels, then a load come along filled with absolutely nothing to watch

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  23. admin Says:

    stingeyal said:
    Ya wait so long for extra hd channels, then a load come along filled with absolutely nothing to watch

    That might be because the Olympics hasn’t actually started yet!!! ;)

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  24. Scott Says:

    I know this is off topic, but challenge and pick tv, and their +1’s are broadcasting without any encryption. Anyone know why?

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  25. Muzer Says:

    They’ve been doing it for ages. Sky have officially made them FTA now, as they now appear in Sky’s FTA list (I can’t remember what the URL is, but someone linked to it on D$ a while back…)

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  26. SL Says:

    So do any techie types know if they are now broadcasting the red button type steam that cannot be recorded and they will switch to a normal stream once the games start.

    We are 2 hours away and we might not be able to record at all.

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  27. ian Says:

    Im truly amazed at how people will complain about anything.
    Moaning now in some places, because the channels have on-screen logo’s! I wish some people would get some perspective in life.
    These people complain endlessly about it, yet how do they get on when they watch any other sports channel? Do they moan then? No!
    Time to grow up.
    (Rant over!)

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  28. SL Says:

    Well they cant be recorded on my HDR, thats a huge OG by the BBC.

    It was clear for days the channels cannot be recorded yet they still didnt fix it. Whats the point of 24 channels if you can only watch 1 at a time?

    The DOG is awful though, looks like it was done by a 10 yo and is too big.

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  29. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said: That might be because the Olympics hasn’t actually started yet!!!

    Or does stengeyal mean he dosen’t like the olympics/sport hence nothing to watch? :-)

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  30. Brian Damage Says:

    Hmm… Getting nothing on 151-174, and red button service just loops back to itself. Just me? Just Panasonic? Anyone getting anything?

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  31. Richard Crichton Says:

    Brian Damage said:
    Hmm… Getting nothing on 151-174, and red button service just loops back to itself. Just me? Just Panasonic? Anyone getting anything?

    Olympic 1,2 &3 are working fine for the womens footie on my Manhattan.

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  32. Derek (original) Says:

    SL said:
    Well they cant be recorded on my HDR, thats a huge OG by the BBC.
    It was clear for days the channels cannot be recorded yet they still didnt fix it. Whats the point of 24 channels if you can only watch 1 at a time?
    The DOG is awful though, looks like it was done by a 10 yo and is too big.

    I have a Humax HDR and I have just been able to set recordings through the freesat EPG for the Olympic channels. Maybe a change has been actioned to allow recording now

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  33. Brian Damage Says:

    Richard Crichton said: Olympic 1,2 &3 are working fine for the womens footie on my Manhattan.

    Thanks. Still not getting anything here. :-(

    Luckily the GBvNZ match is on BBC1HD too.

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  34. SL Says:

    No, they havent changed it. Heres a list of the problems

    Dog is huge and overlapping the score
    sound is ahead of the game
    cant record
    sound isnt 5.1 and is very tinny.

    Even ITV werent that bad. This is an awful effort from the BBC especially as they knew you couldnt record for at least 24h.

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  35. stingeyal Says:

    @30 yep its what will be shown is unwatchable.
    I dont do sports, oh yawn :-)

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  36. jamie Says:

    does anyone know the url for the Olympic channels not on the sd channel guide? thanks

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  37. Adrian Lucas Says:

    Got all the Olympic channels – but I cannot record on my Humax Foxsat HD Freesat Plus box. It won’t record via the EPG or by pressing the record button!

    Looks like I am not alone

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  38. Alan Says:

    I have the HD channels on my Humax HDR recorder. However when I set a recording (or even if I just press record during a live broadcast) it appears like if it is recording but never gets past 1 min, and nothing appears in the media folder. The only thing I can do is cancel the recording. Big fail!

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  39. Alpdel Says:

    First time post!

    Was considering upgrading my philips dvd/hdd recorder box I have had for almost 6 years now to a PVR. Compatible with Freesat of course!

    But given the “issues” when things change etc I can’t see the point.

    Guideplus technology is ancient but I can quite happily record any channel I wish on my freesat box as essentially I just record what is on the screen I guess. And I can burn to dvd stuff I want to keep!

    Sure I won’t get the ultimate HD recording quality but its decent enough. And with the HD channels a burnt dvd is non too shabby.

    Thinking I’ll stick with it as PVRs seem like far too much hassle. And I’ll only bother with the 100m final in the Olympics anyway

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  40. Neil Says:

    SL said:
    No, they havent changed it. Heres a list of the problems
    Dog is huge and overlapping the score
    sound is ahead of the game
    cant record
    sound isnt 5.1 and is very tinny.
    Even ITV werent that bad. This is an awful effort from the BBC especially as they knew you couldnt record for at least 24h.

    I’ve only seen a bit of the womans footie tonight and not studied lipsync or anything like that so couldn’t comment, been a busy evening however later over the weekend when I’ve got time I’ll have a look at them all, presumably most will have content by then.

    As for the BBC not seeming to care about these channels I do get the feeling they are seen as ‘invisible’ in their marketing PR. They talk about watching all 24 streams ‘on the web’ which is where they were originally destined, it’s Sky who made them the offer of hosting and paying for them all. I guess Sky asked the BBC who said “yes, on the condition they have to be FTA, on other FTA platforms and that we’re not responsible for the technical output, that’s your job”. I notice they have teletext subtitles, or at least the TXT indication is showing on my Panny TV’s, there’s no DVB ones though but that’s understandable as we’re talking about Sky here!

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  41. SL Says:

    Im glad you mentioned sky, I looked at their forum and there wasnt a single post pointing out that they couldnt record.

    Looks like sky have crippled it for freesat which is standard behaviour for them.

    The sound sych was obvious, the commentator was about a second ahead so talked about things before they happened.

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  42. admin Says:

    Just to confirm, recording isn’t possible on Sky either, so it isn’t specific to Freesat or any brand of receiver.

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  43. Keith Says:

    Thanks Admin….You can record in non-freesat mode in SD my Humax HDR.

    Installing the custom firmware for the Humax should put the SD channels on the freesar EPG . This would be a fix until, or if the HD recording problem, which is a known issue as you say, is resolved.

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  44. Derek (original) Says:

    admin said:
    Just to confirm, recording isn’t possible on Sky either, so it isn’t specific to Freesat or any brand of receiver.

    Further to my post #32, on my Humax Foxsat HDR it is possible to set recordings of the Olympic channels, and those recordings show up in ‘Schedule’. When the recording start time arrives, the REC indicator on the front panel comes on and stays on for the length of time of the recording, giving all the indications that a recording is taking place, but nothing appears on the ‘Media’ recordings list.
    Also, pressing Record when watching an Olympic channel also brings the Record graphic up and the REC indicator on the front panel comes on. Pressing stop recording brings up the dialogue “Select channels you want to stop recording”. Selecting the Olympic channel, then brings up the message “Recording (less than 30 seconds) may not be stored”, no matter how long it had been recording.

    This is a very inelegant way of inhibiting recording from the Olympic channels as a) if you schedule a recordings it reduces the 2 simultaneous recordings that you can normally make to 1 even though nothing is actually being recorded, and b) it forces the Humax box to put up misleading and incorrect messages as above.

    I have tried the same on a Panasonic G20 freesat TV with a USB HDD attached, and when trying to record live TV from an Olympic channel it puts up the message “USB HDD error”

    Clearly, the BBC are protecting their investment in coverage of the Olympics by not allowing recordings, thus preserving future retail Bluray/DVD sales opportunities, but the method that has been chosen is the most ill conceived ever. It may be that this is not the BBC’s choice and all they do is set a ‘Not recordable’ flag in the transmission stream and that the problem is with the specification/implementation of this flag in the freesat spec.

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  45. SL Says:

    They advertised them as being able to be recorded and time shifted. Basically they are worthless now and Id just record the BBC1HD and BBCHD programs and they dont have the awful dog as well, at least they moved it so it doesnt clash with the score now.

    Either sky, freesat or the BBC have screwed up. It looks like no one told them to make them recordable and the DRM is preventing it which is stupid. Especially as they have known for 48 hours.

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  46. Derek (original) Says:

    This information is currently (26 July 2012 2-15pm) displayed on the freesat website:
    (http://webcms.freesat.co.uk/how-to/faqs/olympic-games/?id=1217)
    ……………………………………………………………………….
    Will I be able to record the BBC Olympic channels?

    Yes. Because the 24 BBC Olympic channels are also available via the freesat EPG, freesat+ customers will be able to pause, rewind and record the action to watch again and again. Make sure you set the event to record from the EPG, as you won’t be able to record via the BBC Red Button.
    ……………………………………………………………………….

    Left hand, right hand? Come on freesat (if you are monitoring this). Can we or can’t we record the olympics?

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  47. Richard Crichton Says:

    SL said:
    They advertised them as being able to be recorded and time shifted. Basically they are worthless now and Id just record the BBC1HD and BBCHD programs and they dont have the awful dog as well, at least they moved it so it doesnt clash with the score now.
    Either sky, freesat or the BBC have screwed up. It looks like no one told them to make them recordable and the DRM is preventing it which is stupid. Especially as they have known for 48 hours.

    Didn’t think Freesat used DRM as HD recordings are encrypted on the hard drive
    to prevent them being copied.

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  48. Richard Crichton Says:

    admin said:
    Just to confirm, recording isn’t possible on Sky either, so it isn’t specific to Freesat or any brand of receiver.

    From fat-tony .Thanks
    Twitter feed on the Freesat website implies that the problem lies with Humax –

    “We’re sorry to say that Humax can’t currently fix the bug that prevents recording of the 24 Olympic Channels on their freesat+ box.”

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  49. Richard Crichton Says:

    From Freesat twitter feed.

    We’ve tried really hard with Humax to sort out. You *can* record from BBC One & BBC Three. All other freesat+ boxes can record 24 streams.

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  50. Neil Says:

    That’s odd the Humax won’t record these streams, I’m going to try on my Panny BS750 later. Is this the first time something actually works on Panasonic hardware which doesn’t on Humax!

    Seriously though, what would there be bug-wise preventing these channels from recording? They are like any other channel on the platform with Freesat EPG data, I presume, embedded in the Transport Stream by the relavant data PID’s. It is poor if the Humax won’t record them considering this makes up about 60-70% of users hardware.

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  51. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil said:
    That’s odd the Humax won’t record these streams, I’m going to try on my Panny BS750 later. Is this the first time something actually works on Panasonic hardware which doesn’t on Humax!
    Seriously though, what would there be bug-wise preventing these channels from recording? They are like any other channel on the platform with Freesat EPG data, I presume, embedded in the Transport Stream by the relavant data PID’s. It is poor if the Humax won’t record them considering this makes up about 60-70% of users hardware.

    admin said it’s the same with Sky boxes so I’m rather sceptical about it being purely a Humax problem. Will try to record with my Technisat.

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  52. Neil Says:

    That’s true, just the Freesat twitter messages seemed to suggest it only affected Humax users. Does this mean you can’t pause any of the live programming on these channels too?

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  53. Richard Crichton Says:

    Neil
    Confirming Olympic 1 and 2 record OK on my Technisat so I don’t know why they won’t work on the Humax.

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  54. admin Says:

    Please revert here to discuss the recording issues of the Olympic channels, thanks.

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  55. Richard Crichton Says:

    Unbelievable. There are people on Fleabay selling information on how to get the Freesat channels on Sky boxes without a card (shock horror) and using the Freesat logo in their ads.

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  56. Richard Crichton Says:

    Has anyone printed out and displayed the Freesat summer of sport wallchart.
    It all helps get the word out.

    http://www.freesat.co.uk/index.php/download_file/3596/

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